So let me get this straight,

ISIS, which is getting bombarded and fought from all side by numerous countries, for 3 years, bombed with amounts of explosions enough to send superpowers back to the stone age, fought from air and land, is invading France ?

Extend the joke : men from the same militia got passed the security, while holding AK-47s ??
Yes yes, believe , open your T.V and just believe. Believe the comedy show that is going in Syria and Iraq.

My heart goes to the victims. Victims of political filth I might say ?
Maybe the problem is Israeli Mossad & CIA ? and the Muslim filth that work for them ?

You will have a very filthy combination when you join Saudi Arabia, Mossad & the CIA. Then you will get an organisation that gets bombed for years but never ends, and carries AK-47s freely inside concerts.

(November 14, 2015 at 1:07 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: So let me get this straight,

ISIS, which is getting bombarded and fought from all side by numerous countries, for 3 years, bombed with amounts of explosions enough to send superpowers back to the stone age, fought from air and land, is invading France ?

Extend the joke : men from the same militia got passed the security, while holding AK-47s ??
Yes yes, believe , open your T.V and just believe. Believe the comedy show that is going in Syria and Iraq.

My heart goes to the victims. Victims of political filth I might say ?
Maybe the problem is Israeli Mossad & CIA ? and the Muslim filth that work for them ?

You will have a very filthy combination when you join Saudi Arabia, Mossad & the CIA. Then you will get an organisation that gets bombed for years but never ends, and carries AK-47s freely inside concerts.

 ISIS is not just a central organization located in one spot, Atlas. It's an idea. Hard to completely bombard.

Please don't start blaming USA/Israel now ...

I know one thins irrational : when this "idea" started to manifest in Arabia, the west had tendancy to "become its ally" to defeat the Ottomans, they even sent officers like T.E Lawrence to aid the Arabs who held these ideas.

Today, saudi arabia is a hole producing this idea, yet the west seems to treat Saudies so nicely. While we speak now, the west is "infested" by Saudi students coming for "scholarships". Sitting in western countries, eat western food, fart, then go back to their homeland "cursing the Kuffar".

An idea cannot be bombed indeed, but an idea cannot grow without funding. Without media. 
Who made "Jihadi John" so famous ?
Who gave the goats of ISIS a "first class media coverage" ?

When a country is in war, it usually tends to humuliate and expose its enemy on the media. In the case of ISIS that didn't happen, only bullshit about how strong they are.

Indeed it's an idea. But sadly irrational, when you fight it (and take me as an example), you either get sent to gulags and prisons, or ignored by everybody.

And the believers of the idea ? they get funding, scholarships, free guns, sweets and villas in beverly hills, stuff like that.

If the west is serious, what about cutting relationships with saudi arabia ? what about "truly" fight Sunna and Shia mentality ?

(November 14, 2015 at 1:37 pm)Irrational Wrote:  ISIS is not just a central organization located in one spot, Atlas. It's an idea. Hard to completely bombard.

Please don't start blaming USA/Israel now ...

Why not blame the United States? Whenever more innocent bystanders die from a drone it creates more terrorists. Would you be mad if a friend or family member died? Have a look at how inaccurate U.S. bombs have been: the Guardian newspaper has the statistics. DAESH wants Syria to be bombed because it creates more DAESH fighters, and DAESH has a very effective propaganda machine. And they will use the death of innocent children to their advantage - you know they will. If they United States cared about fighting terrorism they'd stop flooding weapons into Syria. They did this in Afghanistan in the 1980s and it created the Taliban.

(November 14, 2015 at 5:26 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote:

(November 14, 2015 at 1:37 pm)Irrational Wrote:  ISIS is not just a central organization located in one spot, Atlas. It's an idea. Hard to completely bombard.

Please don't start blaming USA/Israel now ...

Why not blame the United States? Whenever more innocent bystanders die from a drone it creates more terrorists. Would you be mad if a friend or family member died? Have a look at how inaccurate U.S. bombs have been: the Guardian newspaper has the statistics. DAESH wants Syria to be bombed because it creates more DAESH fighters, and DAESH has a very effective propaganda machine. And they will use the death of innocent children to their advantage - you know they will. If they United States cared about fighting terrorism they'd stop flooding weapons into Syria. They did this in Afghanistan in the 1980s and it created the Taliban.

I don't see in this post you holding Daesh accountable for the damage they've been causing, but instead putting it on the USA.

What do you believe the USA should do to fight ISIS in Syria (or elsewhere)?

(November 14, 2015 at 4:46 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I know one thins irrational : when this "idea" started to manifest in Arabia, the west had tendancy to "become its ally" to defeat the Ottomans, they even sent officers like T.E Lawrence to aid the Arabs who held these ideas.

Today, saudi arabia is a hole producing this idea, yet the west seems to treat Saudies so nicely. While we speak now, the west is "infested" by Saudi students coming for "scholarships". Sitting in western countries, eat western food, fart, then go back to their homeland "cursing the Kuffar".

An idea cannot be bombed indeed, but an idea cannot grow without funding. Without media. 
Who made "Jihadi John" so famous ?
Who gave the goats of ISIS a "first class media coverage" ?

When a country is in war, it usually tends to humuliate and expose its enemy on the media. In the case of ISIS that didn't happen, only bullshit about how strong they are.

Indeed it's an idea. But sadly irrational, when you fight it (and take me as an example), you either get sent to gulags and prisons, or ignored by everybody.

And the believers of the idea ? they get funding, scholarships, free guns, sweets and villas in beverly hills, stuff like that.

If the west is serious, what about cutting relationships with saudi arabia ? what about "truly" fight Sunna and Shia mentality ?

Can't say I disagree with this much ...

But I do think blaming the West on most of the major problems in the world is a bit excessive.

(November 13, 2015 at 6:46 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: ABC covering it right now

i watched news last night until were there any more attacks last night i heard there were 7 attacks you cant declare war on isis unless the french president is going to do what Bush did i dont see them doing that or i hope not anyways . so far the war on terror has produced more terrorists than have been eliminated . anything that involves carelessly bombing civilians is not going to decrease terrorism the only way to fight terrorism is to identify the sources of terrorism and eliminate that instead of trying to put a bandaid on the symptoms and obviously it has a lot to do with religion tolerance for this behavior .

Tragic.

My heart goes out to all those affected by these murders, especially our members here.

(November 14, 2015 at 6:09 pm)Irrational Wrote: I don't see in this post you holding Daesh accountable for the damage they've been causing, but instead putting it on the USA.

What do you believe the USA should do to fight ISIS in Syria (or elsewhere)?

1. Tell Turkey to stop bullying the Kurds (who seem way more eager to fight DAESH than the Fascist AKP) and condemn the lack of democracy in Turkey.

2. Stop drone strikes. Malala Tells Obama: 'End The Drone Strikes'

3. Stop supporting the Fascist Saudi and Qatari establishment, many of whom sympathize with DAESH and fund Fascist Imams and televangelists around the world.

4. Stop bullying Iran, who are serious about fighting DAESH. Iran feels threatened by the United States, who have overthrown democratically elected Iranian governments before.

5. Stop the vitriol of the Russian Federation.

Poll finds United States is the biggest threat to world peace.

(November 14, 2015 at 7:03 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote:

(November 14, 2015 at 6:09 pm)Irrational Wrote: I don't see in this post you holding Daesh accountable for the damage they've been causing, but instead putting it on the USA.

What do you believe the USA should do to fight ISIS in Syria (or elsewhere)?

1. Tell Turkey to stop bullying the Kurds (who seem way more eager to fight DAESH than the Fascist AKP) and condemn the lack of democracy in Turkey.

2. Stop drone strikes. Malala Tells Obama: 'End The Drone Strikes'

3. Stop supporting the Fascist Saudi and Qatari establishment, many of whom sympathize with DAESH and fund Fascist Imams and televangelists around the world.

4. Stop bullying Iran, who are serious about fighting DAESH. Iran feels threatened by the United States, who have overthrown democratically elected Iranian governments before.

5. Stop the vitriol of the Russian Federation.

Poll finds United States is the biggest threat to world peace.

See, this is the issue I'm talking about here. You're putting all responsibility on the USA alone as if other nations or entities in the world should not be held accountable for what they do. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Do you see Russia the same way as well? They seem more interested in fighting off Assad's enemies (especially those not part of ISIS) than in fighting ISIS itself.

When the USA bombed Japan with nuclear weapons near the end of WWII, it shouldn't have been the Japanese empire to blame for the sufferings of the Japanese people because, after all, they didn't throw the bombs. USA did. Certainly, you agree with this. So apply the same reasoning to the current global situations. It's not USA who just conducted attacks in Paris or in Beirut, it was Daesh. Let's blame them for the damages, not USA.