(November 15, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Losty Wrote: I saw those ones. They were so delectable. But I find myself still desiring more. Please, won't you tell me what a dirty little feminist I am. Call me a filthy man hater. Come on you know you want to.

Wow, with a tone like that I can't help but be encouraged to oblige. Alright, here you go. You're a dirty little feminist and a filthy man hater. How's that?

I'll go get my popcorn

(November 15, 2015 at 2:15 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote:

(November 15, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Losty Wrote: I saw those ones. They were so delectable. But I find myself still desiring more. Please, won't you tell me what a dirty little feminist I am. Call me a filthy man hater. Come on you know you want to.

Wow, with a tone like that I can't help but be encouraged to oblige. Alright, here you go. You're a dirty little feminist and a filthy man hater. How's that?

That was hot, thank you

(November 15, 2015 at 2:22 pm)Vic Wrote: I'll go get my popcorn

I'm on a diet you bastard

(November 15, 2015 at 2:02 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote:

(November 15, 2015 at 1:57 pm)Mermaid Wrote: What is "fat pride"?

Look, I don't believe I have much credibility to you, seeing as you completely disagree with me on feminism to begin with. So I'll just wing it. Fat pride is a movement that says thin models are an oppressive form of beauty, which is propagated by the "patriarchy" aka male dominated society. So in turn, people have turned to saying that fat is beautiful, resulting in many a ugly picture of horribly unattractive, obese women taking selfies of themselves saying things like "healthy at any size". So if you don't mind me being very blunt, it's some people who are very sad that society doesn't find them attractive. So instead of trying to work out and make themselves thinner, they would rather say that the beauty industry is the problem, try to get fashion industries to have extra large female models. It also perpetuates the misnomer that being fat is perfectly healthy, when what these people actually have is a medical condition. I hope that explains it well.

From my experience, most fat people are pretty self-aware and are reminded of it many times. It's not that fat is good or healthy, but the people who think everybody should be fat and that everyone on a diet is being oppressive are a minority, really

Sowwy Dys :c

(November 15, 2015 at 2:24 pm)Dystopia Wrote:

(November 15, 2015 at 2:02 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: Look, I don't believe I have much credibility to you, seeing as you completely disagree with me on feminism to begin with. So I'll just wing it. Fat pride is a movement that says thin models are an oppressive form of beauty, which is propagated by the "patriarchy" aka male dominated society. So in turn, people have turned to saying that fat is beautiful, resulting in many a ugly picture of horribly unattractive, obese women taking selfies of themselves saying things like "healthy at any size". So if you don't mind me being very blunt, it's some people who are very sad that society doesn't find them attractive. So instead of trying to work out and make themselves thinner, they would rather say that the beauty industry is the problem, try to get fashion industries to have extra large female models. It also perpetuates the misnomer that being fat is perfectly healthy, when what these people actually have is a medical condition. I hope that explains it well.

From my experience, most fat people are pretty self-aware and are reminded of it many times. It's not that fat is good or healthy, but the people who think everybody should be fat and that everyone on a diet is being oppressive are a minority, really

It's a minor part of my point. I extrapolated on it a lot, because I was asked what it was.

None of your point had anything to do with feminism, but I suppose that's besides the point

(November 15, 2015 at 2:53 pm)Losty Wrote: None of your point had anything to do with feminism, but I suppose that's besides the point

What is feminism?

Holy crap, what did I miss?

I'm a "man-hating feminist", I suppose, by your definitions. I recognize the immeasurable privileges I hold in this society by being a white male. I recognize the Patriarchy that has made our culture the way it is. Patriarchal values have destroyed countless lives and continue to do so, and they affect us in subtle ways in almost every exchange we have in this society.

Yes, men have to deal with some things that are difficult, even the occasional double standards, but the worst we will ever go through pales in comparison to every day of the life of women in our supposedly-enlightened society.

While nobody questions that there are feminist extremists who take the concept too far, it's insane to try to equate the far fringe with the common views of the overall movement. It's why I am a male and am proud to call myself a feminist. The idea that trying to root out wrongs that have been perpetrated against women for so long that most men never even notice it's happening or think there's anything wrong with how we are socialized to treat women, for trying to ensure that the business world does not discriminate against women just because it has been a "boys club" for centuries, for trying to attack our "rape culture" in which men feel entitled to the bodies of women they like, and for trying to stem the overwhelming tide of domestic abuse and intimidation that marks the lives of women everywhere, equals "oppression" or hatred of men is beyond ludicrous.

The data are clear: if the nation does not take legal action to protect women from discrimination, they will be routinely discriminated against, based on a long social tradition that has oppressed and used them throughout most of our culture's history.

Being skeptics, we are free to question any or all aspects of feminism... but when you start whining about oh poor men we're so oppressed, you lose me. It simply is not borne out by any significant studies of the subject, and a few anecdotes here and there do not change the overwhelmingly one-sided data that shows we have a long way to go before we have a society in which I would feel proud to tell my daughter (I don't know yet, but have hope my baby due in late January is female) she will be growing up. Until then I fight to fix it. And I tell guys who want to whine about feminism and speak about egalitarianism that feminism is egalitarianism. There's no difference, except in the minds of a few radical proponents of matriarchy (something I doubt strongly would be any better than what it purports to replace), between feminism and egalitarianism... but the fact that you think there is only shows that the feminists' fight is not even close to being completed.