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RE: Why do religious people desperately want to class Atheism as a religion?
November 23, 2015 at 4:32 pm
(November 23, 2015 at 4:05 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It's definitely not a religion, but it does at least "feel" like an ideology to me sometimes, as an outsider looking in. An ideology in the sense that a lot of atheists have a set of common ideals and ideas that go beyond just the disbelief in God.
Sure, but that's not because we're atheists or because there's an atheist doctrine.
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RE: Why do religious people desperately want to class Atheism as a religion?
November 23, 2015 at 4:41 pm
(November 23, 2015 at 4:32 pm)The_Empress Wrote: (November 23, 2015 at 4:05 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It's definitely not a religion, but it does at least "feel" like an ideology to me sometimes, as an outsider looking in. An ideology in the sense that a lot of atheists have a set of common ideals and ideas that go beyond just the disbelief in God.
Sure, but that's not because we're atheists or because there's an atheist doctrine.
I know there is no atheist doctrine. 
But for whatever reason, most atheists seem to have very similar sets of ideals: politically liberal/left wing, thinks religion is harmful, pro choice, believes in climate change, anti death penalty, animal lover, environmentally conscious, Bernie fan, etc etc.
...Nothing wrong with that. Just an observation I've made.
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RE: Why do religious people desperately want to class Atheism as a religion?
November 23, 2015 at 4:58 pm
On this forum? Yes. In general? Not likely. I just think your sample size is too small, is all.
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RE: Why do religious people desperately want to class Atheism as a religion?
November 23, 2015 at 5:01 pm
Short answer: tu quoque fallacy.
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RE: Why do religious people desperately want to class Atheism as a religion?
November 23, 2015 at 5:08 pm
(November 23, 2015 at 4:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 23, 2015 at 4:32 pm)The_Empress Wrote: Sure, but that's not because we're atheists or because there's an atheist doctrine.
I know there is no atheist doctrine.
But for whatever reason, most atheists seem to have very similar sets of ideals: politically liberal/left wing, thinks religion is harmful, pro choice, believes in climate change, anti death penalty, animal lover, environmentally conscious, Bernie fan, etc etc.
...Nothing wrong with that. Just an observation I've made.
I take it you haven't had the "pleasure" of meeting very many of Ayn Rand's fanboys then.
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RE: Why do religious people desperately want to class Atheism as a religion?
November 23, 2015 at 5:10 pm
(November 23, 2015 at 4:58 pm)Vic Wrote: On this forum? Yes. In general? Not likely. I just think your sample size is too small, is all.
Yeah, I haven't been exposed to too many. The ones on this forum and all the atheist friends on my facebook list though, are like that.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Why do religious people desperately want to class Atheism as a religion?
November 23, 2015 at 5:10 pm
(November 23, 2015 at 4:05 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It's definitely not a religion, but it does at least "feel" like an ideology to me sometimes, as an outsider looking in. An ideology in the sense that a lot of atheists have a set of common ideals and ideas that go beyond just the disbelief in God.
That may be conformation bias. I can personally list many atheists whose views on virtually any other subject are diametrically opposite to mine.
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RE: Why do religious people desperately want to class Atheism as a religion?
November 23, 2015 at 5:10 pm
(November 23, 2015 at 5:08 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: (November 23, 2015 at 4:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I know there is no atheist doctrine.
But for whatever reason, most atheists seem to have very similar sets of ideals: politically liberal/left wing, thinks religion is harmful, pro choice, believes in climate change, anti death penalty, animal lover, environmentally conscious, Bernie fan, etc etc.
...Nothing wrong with that. Just an observation I've made.
I take it you haven't had the "pleasure" of meeting very many of Ayn Rand's fanboys then.
No idea who/what that is lol.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Why do religious people desperately want to class Atheism as a religion?
November 23, 2015 at 5:11 pm
(November 23, 2015 at 5:10 pm)pgrimes15 Wrote: (November 23, 2015 at 4:05 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It's definitely not a religion, but it does at least "feel" like an ideology to me sometimes, as an outsider looking in. An ideology in the sense that a lot of atheists have a set of common ideals and ideas that go beyond just the disbelief in God.
That may be conformation bias. I can personally list many atheists whose views on virtually any other subject are diametrically opposite to mine.
Nope, no bias. It has definitely been my solid observation.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Why do religious people desperately want to class Atheism as a religion?
November 23, 2015 at 5:27 pm
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(November 23, 2015 at 5:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 23, 2015 at 4:58 pm)Vic Wrote: On this forum? Yes. In general? Not likely. I just think your sample size is too small, is all.
Yeah, I haven't been exposed to too many. The ones on this forum and all the atheist friends on my facebook list though, are like that.
Yup. Like the 99% of the christians I know are staunch pro-choice homophobic conservatives, but I'm aware this is my experience only.
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