Trump really has you folks riled up these days.

I think it's pretty funny what supposedly skeptics believe about Trump on little to no evidence. Trump makes very vague statements about the internet, but look at the headline of that article "Donald Trump Wants Bill Gates To Turn Off The Internet To Stop ISIS" He didn't say anything like that, nor even anything that would suggest that. Yet people gobble it because they don't like his political opinions.

(December 14, 2015 at 4:54 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I think it's pretty funny what supposedly skeptics believe about Trump on little to no evidence. Trump makes very vague statements about the internet, but look at the headline of that article "Donald Trump Wants Bill Gates To Turn Off The Internet To Stop ISIS" He didn't say anything like that, nor even anything that would suggest that. Yet people gobble it because they don't like his political opinions.

That's exactly what he said though, he made a clear suggestion that we should look in to closing up the internet in some ways, to prevent terrorism. It's not like they are misrepresenting or misquoting him.

(December 14, 2015 at 7:25 pm)Heat Wrote:

(December 14, 2015 at 4:54 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I think it's pretty funny what supposedly skeptics believe about Trump on little to no evidence. Trump makes very vague statements about the internet, but look at the headline of that article "Donald Trump Wants Bill Gates To Turn Off The Internet To Stop ISIS" He didn't say anything like that, nor even anything that would suggest that. Yet people gobble it because they don't like his political opinions.

That's exactly what he said though, he made a clear suggestion that we should look in to closing up the internet in some ways, to prevent terrorism. It's not like they are misrepresenting or misquoting him.

That is a totally irrational conclusion to draw from what he actually said.

(December 14, 2015 at 7:40 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(December 14, 2015 at 7:25 pm)Heat Wrote: That's exactly what he said though, he made a clear suggestion that we should look in to closing up the internet in some ways, to prevent terrorism. It's not like they are misrepresenting or misquoting him.

That is a totally irrational conclusion to draw from what he actually said.

What did he actually say, since you seem to know so well what it was?

(December 14, 2015 at 8:12 pm)Heat Wrote:

(December 14, 2015 at 7:40 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: That is a totally irrational conclusion to draw from what he actually said.

What did he actually say, since you seem to know so well what it was?

This isn't to say I support anything he said but:

Do you really think he's advocating using Bill Gates to shut down the entire internet? Closing up the internet obviously means restricting it, not shutting it down. Nor does anything suggest he thinks Gates has a switch to shut it down. This is all in context of being asked about how to combat ISIS on the internet. I mean, duh. It's like everything he says has to taken to the biggest hyperbole ever. Like when people said that he called all Mexicans rapists. What? Did they not read his speech? It's pretty clear Trump is calling for some government intervention in censoring the internet, not a total shutdown of the internet, as that article claims. Lots of politicians have called for that at one time or another. Actually the 'in some ways' directly contradicts the claim of 'shutting down the internet' I mean you can dislike the man for the positions he has without making up ones that he doesn't.

Don't be so gullible.

You're right. TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT!!!

Here's what he said:

http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-want...is-2215683

Quote:Later in the day, at a rally on board the U.S.S. Yorktown, a Second World War aircraft carrier docked near Charleston, South Carolina, Trump outlined another facet to his plan to fight the Islamic State group.  

Quote:We are losing a lot of people to the Internet. We have to do something. We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them [about], maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some way.

The article admits that it is "unclear" what Trump meant.  But surely that is Trump's fault for being vague.

(December 14, 2015 at 8:18 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(December 14, 2015 at 8:12 pm)Heat Wrote: What did he actually say, since you seem to know so well what it was?

This isn't to say I support anything he said but:

Do you really think he's advocating using Bill Gates to shut down the entire internet? Closing up the internet obviously means restricting it, not shutting it down. Nor does anything suggest he thinks Gates has a switch to shut it down. This is all in context of being asked about how to combat ISIS on the internet. I mean, duh. It's like everything he says has to taken to the biggest hyperbole ever. Like when people said that he called all Mexicans rapists. What? Did they not read his speech?

Don't be so gullible.

1. I never said he wanted to shut down the whole internet, I said close down part of it, which is directly what he said.

2. No obviously I don't think he thinks Bill Gates can somehow magically shut it down, however the sole fact that he referred to Bill Gates in the midst of intending to close up the internet in some ways, the fact that it was evidently not sarcasm, that he actually thinks Bill Gates is of any interest or holds any weight in this day and age on a subject like that shows his complete and utter ignorance as to what is really going on, and how terrorists are actually communicating.

3. He's not suggesting this to directly combat their communication, he's suggesting this in order to prevent them from communicating in the first place, that's why realistically this is a preposterous solution, and won't help whatsoever. And the reason people take what Trump says and exaggerate it is in anticipation of what his opinions really are, because in every point he makes he always seems to touch back on it and 1-up himself, or take an extreme view he's made and make it even more extreme, example being; Now advocating that all Muslims be banned from the US. There's a reason all those republicans are cheering his name, they've said it many times, "I like trump because he doesn't back down, he's aggressive" etc. So no one is taking that internet comment and anticipating it to be nothing more than a feather, he's continuously proven that instead of backing down from points and comments like that he will simply push it further, and I didn't anticipate that he would ban the internet, however people who took his comment and said it was implying a ban have a large amount of justification for doing so.

And yes, lots of politicians suggest shutting down parts of the internet to prevent terrorism, however, with Trump, although certainly not directly clear, it seems to be a different scenario, when politicians do that, they don't come out and announce it, if you are shutting down a part of the internet to prevent terrorism, that almost seems like a given. However, the impression I believe many people got, regardless of Trump's previous tendencies to exaggerate claims, is that Trump is looking to censor the internet, or in other words attempt to shut and close parts down not under any direct coorelation to terrorism, but under the prevention of what "might" occur, and the prevention of what "might" occur is the same reason he made a statement saying all Muslims should be banned from the US, to prevent terrorism, that is why it seems given a different context in the scenario even though principally talking about the same thing, just like Muslims, he is not doing the common sense thing to close down sites linked with terrorism, it seems that we can infer it is much deeper than that, and is more restriction than we originally assume, however since we know his tendencies, we have already been programmed to assume more restriction will come instead of taking the statement at face value, because almost all of his statements never end up actually being at face value. 

Trust me, I'm not a Trump fan at all, but I don't think what he said is all that unclear - "Shut down the internet in some ways in some areas." How is that unclear enough to make people think he was talking about shutting down the internet, period?