(December 7, 2015 at 9:13 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: This is exactly the kind of thing which gives me the impression (as I stated in another thread) that Trump has a personal agenda for running and it isn't to win the presidency. Anyone who is even the tiniest bit familiar with the American constitution and system of government knows that his proposal is just shy of utterly impossible. Why propose something that you know is a non-starter? Not only the Democrats but 90% of Republicans would reject this. And if by some minor miracle it were to pass and become law, SCOTUS would shoot it down 9-0. Even Scalia and Thomas aren't this crackers. So why bring it up?

Because Like it or not Trump is a smart business man. (His billionaire status proves this.)

He is showing us how running a country like a business will yield results. Let's say you have a product. You know it is worth 100.00 and so does the company who wants to buy it. It is a deal at 100.00, but let's also say you know the company buying it will try and barter with you no matter what price tag you put on it. Even if you offered it at 1/2 price they would want it for free.

So what to do? You over value your product and take it to market. which if their are other companies offering the same product, you'd be in trouble. but let's say this company only wants (Trump leading in the poles) what you offer even though your competitors are willing to give it away for free, and they still want your brand/your product. so you over ask to get what you wanted (maybe more) in the first place.

Trump originally said he did not want Syrian refugees in this country (this is the product). So he saw the market demand (douche bags want all refugees no questions asked.) So He over values (No muslims come into the country (till we sort things out/Which is all any of us want) So when he negotiates back to what he originally wanted, he looses nothing. He may also gain the crazy right wingers who want all muslims out, and he keeps or even strengthens his base who call for sanity/vetting (the figuring things out part) he originally wanted.

Plus if trump were to show his hand and explain what he did, he can show how weak/unable those running against him are when it comes to basic negotiations. Then he can also spin this to show how simple minded and maybe how over exposed those wanting all muslims (no questions asked) are endangering this country.

I think we will see some of this pan out in the debate tonight.

Achieving results by running our country as a business..........?  Fine, but wouldn't it be prudent to pick persons or policies that are good at achieving a result other than bankruptcy?

(December 14, 2015 at 12:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Achieving results by running our country as a business..........?  Fine, but wouldn't it be prudent to pick persons or policies that are good at achieving a result other than bankruptcy?

Bankruptcy is not always a bad thing. It is protection from those who would otherwise pick you apart.. I think being bankrupt of all potential ISIS 'creditors' till we have a proper vetting system in place is not a bad thing.

Do I really need to point out all the failures of our current immigration policies that allowed the farook's to go on their Christmas Party rampage? 14 people died, because 'we'/our current administration's policy thought it might be offensive to check a publicly posted social media account.. You don't think it is a good idea to vet people anyway we can before giving complete access to our families???

Couple that with the fact that ALL of our intelligence agencies have confirmed that ISIS has indeed infiltrated the refugee population? That ISIS can print legit passports via captured official documents and printers?

All Muslims may not be terrorists, but ALL people waging Jihad Are Indeed Muslim!

All my people who were here at the time were 'inturned' till our countries could play nice again, and i do not blame this country nor hold any ill will towards it. I think it was the smart thing to do and i support doing something similar if the current resident population of any social group becomes a threat to national security/the rest of the people.

The needs of the many...

(December 14, 2015 at 12:14 pm)Drich Wrote: Because Like it or not Trump is a smart business man. (His billionaire status proves this.)

Indeed, he made a business out of going bankrupt ... and shifting the losses to the American taxpayer while he sheltered his gains. Didn't hurt that he inherited a shitpot of money from Daddy.

That won't work in the public sector, where the public is already picking up the tab.

(December 16, 2015 at 2:34 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(December 14, 2015 at 12:14 pm)Drich Wrote: Because Like it or not Trump is a smart business man. (His billionaire status proves this.)

Indeed, he made a business out of going bankrupt ... and shifting the losses to the American taxpayer while he sheltered his gains. Didn't hurt that he inherited a shitpot of money from Daddy.

That won't work in the public sector, where the public is already picking up the tab.

Sure it will.

Two things The 'public' you speak of that is picking up the tab, Is the people's republic of China. Right now Obama is emptying out fort knox to pay china. I'm sure someone like trump can come up with a better deal that will not leave the US dollar without any sort of gold backing it.

http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2013/07/1...knox-gold/

Obama is selling our future to china. This has to stop, or we will all have to learn Mandarin.

And again my example of Trump's negotiation tactics has him telling congress that no Muslim can enter till we get things sorted out. Which again if you go to his previous statement he originally wanted no Syrian refugees.

As I explain he over shot his true intentions purposely so he could negotiate back to no Syrians. (till our immigration policies catch up to the threats this country faces.)

I'm not a all right wing nut bag. I understand this country needs to be balanced out. That is what makes it great and keep it from becoming it's own brand of evil. We had 8 years of hippy/socialist goverment. We now need to go back in the other direction or we could loose everything that makes this country what it is.

Hippy socialism only works if the whole world are hippy nut bag socialists, as we can see it is not. We now need someone who speaks loudly and is not afraid to swing a big stick, and damn the consequences. Once the threats have been sudued we then can afford to allow the idealist to run the world till they screw things up somemore and create another ISIS or Al qaeda. (ISIS=Obama's lax and premature pull out of the middle east, Al qaeda=Clinton's lax policies and premature pull out/unwillingness to kill osama with a cruise missile strike.)

(December 14, 2015 at 12:14 pm)Drich Wrote:

(December 7, 2015 at 9:13 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: This is exactly the kind of thing which gives me the impression (as I stated in another thread) that Trump has a personal agenda for running and it isn't to win the presidency. Anyone who is even the tiniest bit familiar with the American constitution and system of government knows that his proposal is just shy of utterly impossible. Why propose something that you know is a non-starter? Not only the Democrats but 90% of Republicans would reject this. And if by some minor miracle it were to pass and become law, SCOTUS would shoot it down 9-0. Even Scalia and Thomas aren't this crackers. So why bring it up?

Because Like it or not Trump is a smart business man. (His billionaire status proves this.)

He is showing us how running a country like a business will yield results. Let's say you have a product. You know it is worth 100.00 and so does the company who wants to buy it. It is a deal at 100.00, but let's also say you know the company buying it will try and barter with you no matter what price tag you put on it. Even if you offered it at 1/2 price they would want it for free.

So what to do? You over value your product and take it to market. which if their are other companies offering the same product, you'd be in trouble. but let's say this company only wants (Trump leading in the poles) what you offer even though your competitors are willing to give it away for free, and they still want your brand/your product. so you over ask to get what you wanted (maybe more) in the first place.

Trump originally said he did not want Syrian refugees in this country (this is the product). So he saw the market demand (douche bags want all refugees no questions asked.) So He over values (No muslims come into the country (till we sort things out/Which is all any of us want) So when he negotiates back to what he originally wanted, he looses nothing. He may also gain the crazy right wingers who want all muslims out, and he keeps or even strengthens his base who call for sanity/vetting (the figuring things out part) he originally wanted.

Plus if trump were to show his hand and explain what he did, he can show how weak/unable those running against him are when it comes to basic negotiations. Then he can also spin this to show how simple minded and maybe how over exposed those wanting all muslims (no questions asked) are endangering this country.

I think we will see some of this pan out in the debate tonight.

Smart and moral are two different things. Legal and moral are also two different things. Trump is a leach on society the way he got to the top. He isn't running for anything but his own ego. Jobs and Gates and Nick Hanoure are even richer than him and have far more morals than that reality show flunky.

Drich: Not a right-wing nutbag, but thinks that Obama is a hippy socialist.

Drich Wrote:

Quote:Because Like it or not Trump is a smart business man. (His billionaire status proves this.)

He doesn't seem to be a very good business man. He's declared bankruptcy more than once. If he had invested his initial 20 million or so that he inherited into an investment fund that followed the S&P, he'd be about twice as rich today as he is. Almost any fool can make money when they've got tens of millions of dollars to start with.

Drich Wrote:

Rhythm Wrote:Achieving results by running our country as a business..........?  Fine, but wouldn't it be prudent to pick persons or policies that are good at achieving a result other than bankruptcy?

Bankruptcy is not always a bad thing. It is protection from those who would otherwise pick you apart.. I think being bankrupt of all potential ISIS 'creditors' till we have a proper vetting system in place is not a bad thing.

Do I really need to point out all the failures of our current immigration policies that allowed the farook's to go on their Christmas Party rampage? 14 people died, because 'we'/our current administration's policy thought it might be offensive to check a publicly posted social media account.. You don't think it is a good idea to vet people anyway we can before giving complete access to our families???

Couple that with the fact that ALL of our intelligence agencies have confirmed that ISIS has indeed infiltrated the refugee population? That ISIS can print legit passports via captured official documents and printers?

All Muslims may not be terrorists, but ALL people waging Jihad Are Indeed Muslim!

All my people who were here at the time were 'inturned' till our countries could play nice again, and i do not blame this country nor hold any ill will towards it. I think it was the smart thing to do and i support doing something similar if the current resident population of any social group becomes a threat to national security/the rest of the people.

The needs of the many...

Bankruptcy is often better than the alternatives. However it is never a sign of keen business acumen, it is a sign of having made a mistake. I wouldn't hold one bankruptcy against him, but three?

Not all Christians are in the KKK, Lord's Resistance Army, or Christian militias in the CAR committing genocide on Muslims; but all of them are Christians.

It is good of Drich to show up to demonstrate that there are theists as dim as Mralstroner. Still more proof that idiots can believe a lot of different things.