(January 13, 2016 at 9:18 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:If you go back to where I first started talking about the higher dimensional creature, I said specifically that it was just a thought, not scientific, and I even said to the guy "don't tell me later that I am making an assertion because these are just thoughts." I am not trying to get anyone to believe in multiple dimensions, I was just throwing a thought out there.(January 13, 2016 at 7:42 pm)AAA Wrote: You want me to explain how something can be outside time? I don't think I have an answer, but there are spacial and temporal dimensions. We 3D creatures can be outside of a 2D spacial realm. In a similar way, something could conceivably be outside of the temporal realm also. Not a great answer, but I don't see why it couldn't.
So, a thing that you don't understand, is in a realm that you can't tell if it even exists, and it does things in ways that you can't fathom, and somehow you think this has any explanatory power?!
And your entire reason you accept this, is because of some vague passages in a Bronze Age text of mythology.
Yeah, you're doing science alright.
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  (January 13, 2016 at 9:42 pm)AAA Wrote: not scientific Then how can you even claim to speak of science on the same level as the rest of us if what you are stating is not scientific, but merely a thought process running though your mind much like mythology ran through the minds of primitive men?
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~ Erin Hunter (January 13, 2016 at 9:34 pm)Kitan Wrote:(January 13, 2016 at 9:32 pm)AAA Wrote: Do you consider yourself a person of reason? Or are you just siding with people like Dawkins who you think are people of reason? What's your rational answer to the fine tuning of the universe, genetic info in cells, interacting parts in cells? They all have qualities with characteristics of design? you can say "I don't know", and that's fine but then aren't you incorporating faith that there will be an alternate answer to explain the qualities of design without a designer? (January 13, 2016 at 9:47 pm)AAA Wrote: but then aren't you incorporating faith that there will be an alternate answer to explain the qualities of design without a designer? Not at all. Not having an answer is no reason that one should be subjectively provided for the comfort of one's curiosity. When the answer is provided, it will be because science has provided it in accordance with evidence.
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~ Erin Hunter (January 13, 2016 at 9:38 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Given the opportunity to redesign things, I wouldn't include an appendix that exists solely to get appendicitis. It cultivates bacteria to aid in digestion. You don't need it, but it does serve functions with digestion and immune health. Given the opportunity to redesign things, All the engineers who have ever lived couldn't do a better job. 
Fine tuning of the universe?
Our galaxy is on a collision course with Andromeda, a collision that could destroy much of both galaxies. We just need to look at the surface of the Earth and the moon to find evidence of massive impacts by asteroids and meteors. These are signs against fine tuning. Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???" RE: Intelligent Design
January 13, 2016 at 9:51 pm
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Care to tackle heterotrophism Trips. Wave that one away for me? Go ahead, google it, compose your thoughts.
As to your last excuse..who cares about all the engineers that have ever lived? That was the best that -your- designer could do? Infinite power..magical abilities....expansive mind......and you settle for: "better than what some apes could come up with" ......really?
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(January 13, 2016 at 9:51 pm)AAA Wrote:(January 13, 2016 at 9:38 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Given the opportunity to redesign things, I wouldn't include an appendix that exists solely to get appendicitis. It MIGHT do this. THis is currently an unconfirmed speculation. Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???" (January 13, 2016 at 9:51 pm)Beccs Wrote: Fine tuning of the universe? The fact that galaxies or planets even exist is incredibly unlikely according to mathematical models that can manipulate values for gravity, expansion of the universe, and other constants. (January 13, 2016 at 9:52 pm)Beccs Wrote:I don't know that I would call it speculation. It has evidence behind it. What's keeping people from accepting these functions are their evolutionary presuppositions.(January 13, 2016 at 9:51 pm)AAA Wrote: It cultivates bacteria to aid in digestion. You don't need it, but it does serve functions with digestion and immune health. |
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