(January 15, 2016 at 3:41 am)mr_j936 Wrote: I'm all for liberal principles in 99% of cases. But sometimes they go too far. In Sweden and Germany it is going as far as hiding the criminals if they belong to a certain religion, not only ignoring the problem but enabling it further...

Also, have you stopped to ask yourself why immigrants are going to Europe? Lebanon is safe, Turkey is safe, Egypt is safe even some large parts of Syria are relatively safe etc... They don't want to run away for safety, the want the generous package the Europeans are offering, pretty much go anywhere you want in Europe and wreck havoc and get a paycheck from Europeans governments at the end of the month.

Egypt, Lebanon & Syria, are safe ???
Last time I checked, people were dying like flies in Egypt for simply protesting the corrupted government, Hezbollah was playing soccer with guns in Lebanon & let's not forget ISIS's suicide attacks here & there in Beirut And the government's gulags ( which are exposed with video recordings of the torture happening inside). Ask me for proof so I post the link to what really happens in prison in Lebanon.

The Middle East is not safe if you criticize the religion that locals believe in, not safe is you criticise the government, and extremely dangerous if you criticize both.

First you will lose your social life, then your old friends will report you to the police, then you get arrested, then you get tortured. 

It's only safe if your family knows people in the government. Otherwise, you're naked & alone. The more you think by yourself & try to criticize the injustice practiced by the gangs that rule the middle east, the more you'll get eaten.

People are fleeing this region, because it's a wasteland ruled by cutthroats.

(January 14, 2016 at 5:53 am)mralstoner Wrote: https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/...9222546432

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/...3238755328

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/...0266539008

Do you think Merkel would be so understanding if she was ganged raped by the refugees?

(January 16, 2016 at 4:15 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(January 15, 2016 at 3:41 am)mr_j936 Wrote: I'm all for liberal principles in 99% of cases. But sometimes they go too far. In Sweden and Germany it is going as far as hiding the criminals if they belong to a certain religion, not only ignoring the problem but enabling it further...

Also, have you stopped to ask yourself why immigrants are going to Europe? Lebanon is safe, Turkey is safe, Egypt is safe even some large parts of Syria are relatively safe etc... They don't want to run away for safety, the want the generous package the Europeans are offering, pretty much go anywhere you want in Europe and wreck havoc and get a paycheck from Europeans governments at the end of the month.

Egypt, Lebanon & Syria, are safe ???
Last time I checked, people were dying like flies in Egypt for simply protesting the corrupted government, Hezbollah was playing soccer with guns in Lebanon & let's not forget ISIS's suicide attacks here & there in Beirut And the government's gulags ( which are exposed with  video recordings of the torture happening inside). Ask me for proof so I post the link to what really happens in prison in Lebanon.

The Middle East is not safe if you criticize the religion that locals believe in, not safe is you criticise the government, and extremely dangerous if you criticize both.

First you will lose your social life, then your old friends will report you to the police, then you get arrested, then you get tortured. 

It's only safe if your family knows people in the government. Otherwise, you're naked & alone. The more you think by yourself & try to criticize the injustice practiced by the gangs that rule the middle east, the more you'll get eaten.

People are fleeing this region, because it's a wasteland ruled by cutthroats.

I live there, I'm not dead.

The idea of a refugee is to survive a war, not prosper during the war, and definitely not going around attracting trouble for yourself. If their point is to survive, they can do it here...

(January 16, 2016 at 4:18 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(January 14, 2016 at 5:53 am)mralstoner Wrote: https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/...9222546432

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/...3238755328

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/...0266539008

Do you think Merkel would be so understanding if she was ganged raped by the refugees?

North Africans they say..
I thought most refugees were from Syria ?

(January 16, 2016 at 4:46 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: North Africans they say..
I thought most refugees were from Syria ?

According to the talk on the street, they were Syrians from Africa! Thousands of them!

(January 16, 2016 at 4:41 am)mr_j936 Wrote: I live there, I'm not dead.

The idea of a refugee is to survive a war, not prosper during the war, and definitely not going around attracting trouble for yourself. If their point is to survive, they can do it here...

My definition of "safe" is different from you.
We're not cattle. Aside from life itself, we have other needs.

Lebanon was drenching in garbage as far as I know :

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/mid...ital-.html

So, our personal hygiene too is getting killed 
That's why people are immigrating.

And yes : the Middle East is a ghetto.
Akon had a nice song about that :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRk5lfAH7qs

Mostlty, refugees are just people who came from the gutter. Poor souls, that never witnessed the honey bunnies & lollipops of western civilization, and there they both collided.

The act must be condemned and ruled as a crime. Banishing the rapist is one penalty, Arabs -as most of you know- actually commit murder. Honor killings are all about that.  So we know that this phenomena is extremely dangerous, and must be taken seriously. 

But it's not religious. It's Arabic. What is so Islamic ?
To sum up the story :

"Once upon a time, there were people in a country drenching in garbage, under a government that commits torture acts against political enemies, next to it is a Syria, that her "Assad" is butchering civilians & resistance members & terrorists, I forgot to mention Iran who supports Shia militias like Hezbollah; them people are blowing themselves up ! and kill you if you speak about it,you know the phrase : "went behind the sun ? Admit the bad act but don't demonize. Even punish, but never demonize, because then you'll hurt innocent people".

TBH, the middle east is a death hole for :

1-Muslims
2-Other religious sects (Jews, Christians...etc)
3-Atheists

So for any of these guys, it's dangerous for you to exist in the M.E !!

(January 16, 2016 at 5:30 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 4:41 am)mr_j936 Wrote: I live there, I'm not dead.

The idea of a refugee is to survive a war, not prosper during the war, and definitely not going around attracting trouble for yourself. If their point is to survive, they can do it here...

My definition of "safe" is different from you.
We're not cattle. Aside from life itself, we have other needs.

Lebanon was drenching in garbage as far as I know :

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/mid...ital-.html

So, our personal hygiene too is getting killed 
That's why people are immigrating.

And yes : the Middle East is a ghetto.
Akon had a nice song about that :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRk5lfAH7qs

Mostlty, refugees are just people who came from the gutter. Poor souls, that never witnessed the honey bunnies & lollipops of western civilization, and there they both collided.

The act must be condemned and ruled as a crime. Banishing the rapist is one penalty, Arabs -as most of you know- actually commit murder. Honor killings are all about that.  So we know that this phenomena is extremely dangerous, and must be taken seriously. 

But it's not religious. It's Arabic. What is so Islamic ?
To sum up the story :

"Once upon a time, there were people in a country drenching in garbage, under a government that commits torture acts against political enemies, next to it is a Syria, that her "Assad" is butchering civilians & resistance members & terrorists, I forgot to mention Iran who supports Shia militias like Hezbollah; them people are blowing themselves up ! and kill you if you speak about it,you know the phrase : "went behind the sun ? Admit the bad act but don't demonize. Even punish, but never demonize, because then you'll hurt innocent people".

You westerners are so pampered. Yes the middle east is far from western standard, but it is a livable place, at least large parts of it is(well not livable to you with what you are used to, but for Syrians hell yeah...)

The middle east is not really a death hole, it took 5 years to kill 1% of Syria's population, and not all of Syria is an active war zone, and certainly not all of Lebanon. Some areas are garbage free, the capital is mostly a pile of trash, but isolated areas developed their own recycling systems. We also only have 12 hours electricity a day, but that's a minor inconvenience. But as I said, the point is to survive not to prosper(Though I'm actually doing very well for myself). And you get to watch 2 Islamic terrorist organization kill each 24 hours a day, move over wwe.

The middle east is a lesson to western countries about what corruption can lead to if it goes too far among other things. But it won't matter if you import the people and hence the crisis to you. 

When Merkel declared the open doors policy there were 2 views around me, one view said "yay lets get on the death boats" and the other view was "that dumb bitch will doom what is left of human civilization" You didn't give birth to us, you owe us nothing.

(January 16, 2016 at 10:19 am)mr_j936 Wrote: You didn't give birth to us, you owe us nothing.

First, I'm not the least bit surprised, paulpablo gave kudos for that. Secondly, I singled out this one sentence, since it strikes a nerve. The above attitude would have gotten my family killed some 80 years ago. In fact, millions have been killed, just because of that attitude. You know, countries closing their borders because they owed the fugitives nothing.

It's convenient, if you're not among the persecuted ones. Sitting in your comfy chair and farting out everything you hear on the street from your beerhole. Well, there's that famous quote by pastor Martin Niemöller.

Quote:First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

(January 16, 2016 at 10:50 am)abaris Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 10:19 am)mr_j936 Wrote: You didn't give birth to us, you owe us nothing.

First, I'm not the least bit surprised, paulpablo gave kudos for that. Secondly, I singled out this one sentence, since it strikes a nerve. The above attitude would have gotten my family killed some 80 years ago. In fact, millions have been killed, just because of that attitude. You know, countries closing their borders because they owed the fugitives nothing.

It's convenient, if you're not among the persecuted ones. Sitting in your comfy chair and farting out everything you hear on the street from your beerhole. Well, there's that famous quote by pastor Martin Niemöller.

Quote:First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

If they were leaving Syria and a war zone then great. But the majority are leaving countries that already received them like Lebanon and Turkey to go to Europe. I can't really imagine what they expect to find in Europe except a bleak weather and people that don't understand them and don't like them...

Bringing people in when you don't have enough police force to control them and don't have any biometrics/identifications to find them is both suicide and unfair. Unfair to all those people who got a good education, a job offer and went through all the proper channel and were declined, now here are some terrorists strolling in instead...