If it was perfect in the first place why change and disturb perfection.

Because it (like all the 'holy books' on the planet to date) is a fraudulent piece of fiction that was written without the aid of a calculator, Almanac references, spell checker or comprehension of language.

(February 15, 2011 at 12:36 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: ... without the aid of a calculator, Almanac references, spell checker or comprehension of language.

Those who have a good knowledge of Arabic, and those who are honest, will be ready to admit that the Quran is untouchable in terms of its poetic eloquence and beauty. This is called the challenge of the Quran, which is to produce a single chapter in Arabic which is better than the Quran, as Allah said, "And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant, then bring a single chapter like it, and call your witnesses besides God if you are truthful" (Surah 2:23)". Some of the most skilled poets and writers (both Arabs and non-Arabs) have tried to meet this challenge, but as predicted in the Quran, nobody was able to meet the challenge since the past 1,400 years. Also, remember that the Prophet lived amongst the illiterate Bedouins and he was an illiterate man himself. This is why it is counter-intuitive to think that he would be able to write such a book like the Quran.

So, if what you said is true, that the people didn't have "comprehension of language," then this is actually more evidence that the Quran cannot be the work of illiterate men.

(February 14, 2011 at 2:14 pm)muhtesem insan Wrote: If it was perfect in the first place why change and disturb perfection.

Because it is an example of abrogation:

"Whichever revelation We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We substitute something better than it or similar to it. Know you not that Allah has power over all things?" (2:106)

(February 16, 2011 at 6:43 am)Rayaan Wrote: Because it is an example of abrogation:

"Whichever revelation We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We substitute something better than it or similar to it. Know you not that Allah has power over all things?" (2:106)

So allah send something imperfect and perfected it later?

(February 16, 2011 at 6:43 am)Rayaan Wrote:

(February 15, 2011 at 12:36 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: ... without the aid of a calculator, Almanac references, spell checker or comprehension of language.

Those who have a good knowledge of Arabic, and those who are honest, will be ready to admit that the Quran is untouchable in terms of its poetic eloquence and beauty. This is called the challenge of the Quran, which is to produce a single chapter in Arabic which is better than the Quran, as Allah said, "And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant, then bring a single chapter like it, and call your witnesses besides God if you are truthful" (Surah 2:23)". Some of the most skilled poets and writers (both Arabs and non-Arabs) have tried to meet this challenge, but as predicted in the Quran, nobody was able to meet the challenge since the past 1,400 years. Also, remember that the Prophet lived amongst the illiterate Bedouins and he was an illiterate man himself. This is why it is counter-intuitive to think that he would be able to write such a book like the Quran.

So, if what you said is true, that the people didn't have "comprehension of language," then this is actually more evidence that the Quran cannot be the work of illiterate men.

(February 14, 2011 at 2:14 pm)muhtesem insan Wrote: If it was perfect in the first place why change and disturb perfection.

Because it is an example of abrogation:

"Whichever revelation We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We substitute something better than it or similar to it. Know you not that Allah has power over all things?" (2:106)

Err Haven't heard of Jews or Christians have you???

(February 16, 2011 at 4:33 pm)muhtesem insan Wrote: So allah send something imperfect and perfected it later?

They are both perfect. The only difference is that one of them supercedes the other (i.e. the two verses).

(February 17, 2011 at 5:54 am)Rayaan Wrote:

(February 16, 2011 at 4:33 pm)muhtesem insan Wrote: So allah send something imperfect and perfected it later?

They are both perfect. The only difference is that one of them supercedes the other (i.e. the two verses).

Yep...what we would call a 'perfect mess' that had to be "re-written" by stupid useless men of Islam..poor things.
Mind you ...they are not alone...both the Christians and the Jews went through the same debacles...still going through it I understand 2000 years later...god/ allah/ yahweh still haven't got it right...poor things.

Quote:They are both perfect. The only difference is that one of them supercedes the other (i.e. the two verses).

They are both perfect and cant be written by men right?
Your bar of perfection is pretty low dude..

(February 17, 2011 at 5:54 am)Rayaan Wrote:

(February 16, 2011 at 4:33 pm)muhtesem insan Wrote: So allah send something imperfect and perfected it later?

They are both perfect. The only difference is that one of them supercedes the other (i.e. the two verses).

lol. If the first of something was perfect why the need for the second to replace it? You're funny sometimes mate.

(February 16, 2011 at 6:43 am)Rayaan Wrote: "Whichever revelation We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We substitute something better than it or similar to it. Know you not that Allah has power over all things?" (2:106)

In other words, the man who wrote that passage needed to put the fear of god into people so they will not ask good questions like "Why would god make a revelation here, but then make another revelation later that contradicts the other one"

Allah doesnt exist, and if he does then he is a malevolent ass hole to play such games.

Allah - "Go this way!"
muslim - "but last year you said this OTHER way was the only righteous way!"
Allah - "INFIDEL..DIE YOU PIG!!!"

*allah presses the trigger and detonates his TNT-shirt. Sane people everywhere cheer that Allah the dick head is finally out of the picture!!*

I agree. Allah WAS perfect, now he is even MORE perfect since he blew himself out of existence!