”Evie” Wrote:The thing I hate about humility is it means "a modest or low view of one’s own importance". All too often pushing that humility is a great virtue is a disguise for belittling someone's self-worth to unhealthy levels. My parents raised me to have so much humility that even after over a year I think that I haven't associated with them or anyone else toxic from my past, if someone is hurting me I struggle asking them to stop or even having the "audacity" to complain about it. Humility is not always a good thing. Having a low view of your own importance can be extremely harmful. Pride means "a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one’s own achievements". Pride is not always a bad thing being satisfied with yourself, your achievements, and your life can be very healthy.

So no, humility isn't always good. It's all about balance. People should think highly enough of their own worth that they love themselves and never let others use them as a doormat, and they shouldn't think so highly of themselves that they allow themselves to impede someone else's path to happiness

I remember when I was a child in D.C., there were public trash cans that said “Pride Keeps Our City Clean.”

When the Church tried to teach me that pride is a bad thing, I realized that they were using this one word to mean two entirely different things. Like Evie says, it’s a matter of balance.

I too hate it when people put themselves down and give god credit for things they themselves have done. It’s stupid. Trying to be humble is like trying to see your eyes move in a mirror. As soon as you look it’s gone. “Oh look I’ve done something humble. Wasn’t that humble of me? That was the epitome of meekness. ” then you feel right proud.

People who don’t see their own importance tend to be self-destructive and morally gullible. If I’m not important then what does it matter what I do? Why shouldn’t I do this terrible thing? Who cares? If you think you have nothing to offer then you won’t share your gifts with the rest of the world. And we all have something to give. None of us could have survived hundreds of thousands of years of natural selection if we had nothing.

Great stuff.

Indeed, to me being humble is about not assuming you are automatically right about everything, or that you deserve such and such thing because you say so. And being proud is about caring about what you do, striving to do good work, and crediting yourself when appropriate.

(January 24, 2016 at 10:53 am)robvalue Wrote: Great stuff.

Indeed, to me being humble is about not assuming you are automatically right about everything, or that you deserve such and such thing because you say so. And being proud is about caring about what you do, striving to do good work, and crediting yourself when appropriate.

You are balanced.

I want to elaborate (not disagree) on one of the points you made.

I don’t even worry about whether I deserve something. If constantly asking myself why I’m disabled is nonproductive, why should I question the good things in my life?

What is the end result of having this or that? Do I want to take on the responsibilities of having it? How will having it help me and those around me? Does having it cost more than it’s worth?

These are the questions I ask. Somebody, somewhere will say. “No, you don’t deserve that. You hurt my feelings back in 1984.” “You didn’t wash the dishes, so no cookies for you.” Is that anything more than childish idiocy?

I think that's actually Losty's quote.

(January 24, 2016 at 10:53 am)robvalue Wrote: Great stuff.

Indeed, to me being humble is about not assuming you are automatically right about everything, or that you deserve such and such thing because you say so. And being proud is about caring about what you do, striving to do good work, and crediting yourself when appropriate.

Jesus fucking christ Rob. Do you always have to be right?!?!?!?!

EP, Mr Killings worth, a dime for your thoughts.

(January 26, 2016 at 7:27 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(January 24, 2016 at 10:53 am)robvalue Wrote: Great stuff.

Indeed, to me being humble is about not assuming you are automatically right about everything, or that you deserve such and such thing because you say so. And being proud is about caring about what you do, striving to do good work, and crediting yourself when appropriate.

Jesus fucking christ Rob. Do you always have to be right?!?!?!?!

Thank you

(January 26, 2016 at 4:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think that's actually Losty's quote.

It is. The entire quote is by bestest kitten.



Hence the "Losty Wrote" above it.

I'm glad you like the quote Rhonda: It was written by someone fucking amazing.

Meh, ABBA rules, that is all humanity needs to know.

(January 27, 2016 at 10:43 am)Brian37 Wrote: Meh, ABBA rules, that is all humanity needs to know.

No. Cats do.