(February 17, 2016 at 10:39 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(February 17, 2016 at 10:13 pm)AAA Wrote: It's not just complex, though. There are so many purposeful interactions that need to take place in order for the cell to regulate itself. These interactions are dependent on intricate structures, which are dependent on sequence of characters in DNA. When you remove one enzyme, the whole system might no longer be able to function. So the problem is that in order for it to work well enough to evolve (reproduce), you need tens of thousands of nucleotides in a proper sequence. It couldn't get there gradually, at least not by mutation and natural selection.

Look out, guys. Irreducible complexity bullshit coming up real soon.

Well do you think that thousands of bases can arrange into a protein coding sequence on their own? Remember, we are talking about what it needs before it can reproduce, so you can't have mutations as an answer because replication errors are the source of changed sequence.

This is coming from my step mother but she said that if god doesn't exist why is it she can see people's faces in her dreams because people don't dream of other people without god.

(February 17, 2016 at 9:22 pm)AAA Wrote:

(February 14, 2016 at 4:01 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: My personal favorite for amusement purposes is Wendy Wright screeching out to Dawkins "Were you THERE?!!" I don't think I've ever seen such a hysterically stupid person before, and I have met a lot of very stupid religious people!

Oh, and we also had a perfect troll who claimed to be a top biology student, while insisting that every life form shows "perfect design" - yeah, how could I not see how obvious that is?

It's not perfect (it literally couldn't be) but the design is pretty apparent when you look at how the cell works.

Your god is supposed to be perfect. It works like this: either your god is perfect, and a dithering dick for creating imperfect life, or he doesn't exist at all. Actually, there is only one option, because life clearly isn't perfect and there is no evidence of any design. This makes a perfect god impossible, even if there was any sort of initial designer. You cannot make anything imperfect and still be perfect yourself, and neither can your god. It is you, the theists who claim that your god cannot do evil, and doesn't make mistakes, so get consistent with your claims if you're going to make them and stop making excuses which blame said god's imperfect creatures for all the shit which he allowed to happen. Why, by the way does shit exist when life is supposedly so fucking perfect? Why in fallacious fuck do you exist, loser who you are to come around where you know you don't belong, knowing that you will achieve nothing but to annoy those who you have willfully decided to disagree with, all the time pounding your chest and sniggering? Oh, right, that's just what any perfect prince of a perfect god would always do! Why then did even your apostle Paul show the good sense to take off and never come back when they made it clear they just weren't interested in what he had to sell?

The world in which we live is in no way perfect at all, ∴ your god fucked up stupendously, if he created any life here at all. There is no legitimate blame on anybody for "sin" because a perfect god should have known better than to allow what he did - he could not and would not have decided on allowing "free will", such a decision would in itself be a weakness. More obvious problems which your creationist mental gymnastics bends around and sidesteps: there can't be anything which your god's said creation can do which would ever annoy a perfect god, because goddammit, he's perfect - well, that's what he's said to be! ∴ your god doesn't exist, and you are just an asshole who wants to wield god-like power over other people - on that, no thank you and feel free to go fuck yourself into the next dimension and out of sight.

(February 17, 2016 at 10:42 pm)Evie Wrote: Worst argument I heard:

"If evolution is true then how come there aren't slug people that slugs have evolved from?"

(February 17, 2016 at 10:42 pm)AAA Wrote:

(February 17, 2016 at 10:39 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: Look out, guys. Irreducible complexity bullshit coming up real soon.

Well do you think that thousands of bases can arrange into a protein coding sequence on their own? Remember, we are talking about what it needs before it can reproduce, so you can't have mutations as an answer because replication errors are the source of changed sequence.

I would recommend you actually read up on evolution and biology before trumpeting you ignorance in a public forum. It's painfully obvious you know jack shit about either.

(February 17, 2016 at 11:05 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(February 17, 2016 at 10:42 pm)AAA Wrote: Well do you think that thousands of bases can arrange into a protein coding sequence on their own? Remember, we are talking about what it needs before it can reproduce, so you can't have mutations as an answer because replication errors are the source of changed sequence.

I would recommend you actually read up on evolution and biology before trumpeting you ignorance in a public forum. It's painfully obvious you know jack shit about either.

Stupid Creatard denialism:

(February 17, 2016 at 11:03 pm)MTL Wrote:

(February 17, 2016 at 10:42 pm)Evie Wrote: Worst argument I heard:

"If evolution is true then how come there aren't slug people that slugs have evolved from?"

They obviously haven't seen Ken Ham, Ray Comfort, Sye Ten Boogerman, and the other creationists.

(February 17, 2016 at 10:57 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(February 17, 2016 at 9:22 pm)AAA Wrote: It's not perfect (it literally couldn't be) but the design is pretty apparent when you look at how the cell works.

Your god is supposed to be perfect. It works like this: either your god is perfect, and a dithering dick for creating imperfect life, or he doesn't exist at all. Actually, there is only one option, because life clearly isn't perfect and there is no evidence of any design. This makes a perfect god impossible, even if there was any sort of initial designer. You cannot make anything imperfect and still be perfect yourself, and neither can your god. It is you, the theists who claim that your god cannot do evil, and doesn't make mistakes, so get consistent with your claims if you're going to make them and stop making excuses which blame said god's imperfect creatures for all the shit which he allowed to happen. Why, by the way does shit exist when life is supposedly so fucking perfect? Why in fallacious fuck do you exist, loser who you are to come around where you know you don't belong, knowing that you will achieve nothing but to annoy those who you have willfully decided to disagree with, all the time pounding your chest and sniggering? Oh, right, that's just what any perfect prince of a perfect god would always do! Why then did even your apostle Paul show the good sense to take off and never come back when they made it clear they just weren't interested in what he had to sell?

The world in which we live is in no way perfect at all, ∴ your god fucked up stupendously, if he any life here at all. There is no legitimate blame on anybody for "sin" because a perfect god should have known better than to allow what he did - he could not and would not have decided on allowing "free will", such a decision would in itself be a weakness. More obvious problems which your creationist mental gymnastics bends around and sidesteps: there can't be anything which your god's said creation can do which would ever annoy a perfect god, because goddammit, he's perfect - well, that's what he's said to be! ∴ your god doesn't exist, and you are just an asshole who wants to wield god-like power over other people - on that, no thank you and feel free to go fuck yourself into the next dimension and out of sight.

It can't be perfect, because when you have so many interconnected parts, you can only improve some to a certain point before they begin to negatively impact the function of other parts. It's optimization. For example; why aren't our neurons 4 times the diameter that they are? This would make them much faster at transmitting signals, but this size would then interfere with other structures by pushing them out of the way. Why don't you make a sailboat infinitely long? You could then carry more cargo, but it would lose speed and buoyancy. So yes there are structures that could be improved individually, but always ask yourself what would be the cost? And I think if you look to molecular biology, you will see that there is very little room for improvement other than undoing damage that we have done to our genome over the past few centuries.

(February 17, 2016 at 11:05 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(February 17, 2016 at 10:42 pm)AAA Wrote: Well do you think that thousands of bases can arrange into a protein coding sequence on their own? Remember, we are talking about what it needs before it can reproduce, so you can't have mutations as an answer because replication errors are the source of changed sequence.

I would recommend you actually read up on evolution and biology before trumpeting you ignorance in a public forum. It's painfully obvious you know jack shit about either.

I love biology, and I know how it works. It's not that I don't understand them, it is that mutation is inadequate to account for the phenomena in the cell. It's easy to just tell me I know nothing, but you didn't answer the question. Because I think you know if you say yes you will be admitting to accepting the mathematically impossible.

(February 18, 2016 at 12:14 am)AAA Wrote:

(February 17, 2016 at 11:05 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: I would recommend you actually read up on evolution and biology before trumpeting you ignorance in a public forum. It's painfully obvious you know jack shit about either.

I love biology, and I know how it works. It's not that I don't understand them, it is that mutation is inadequate to account for the phenomena in the cell. It's easy to just tell me I know nothing, but you didn't answer the question. Because I think you know if you say yes you will be admitting to accepting the mathematically impossible.

"Mathematically impossible?" You obviously know little to nothing about evolution and not much more about biology. Yes, random mutations over time are part of how evolution works. Now, you got something relevant to back up that "mathematically impossible" claim with, or just what your pastor/priest/shaman/medicine man/witch doctor tells you every Sunday?

Seriously, educate yourself. Your mind will thank you.