(February 20, 2016 at 5:15 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

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GC Wrote:Why is it you and all other atheist think God should correct or stop man's cruelty to each other, we made this mess why shouldn't we take the responsibility to clean it up, even if evolution were true shouldn't it be our responsibility? God put each individual here for a purpose and if your'e was to help stop such evil then where have you been. I think you're like most complain and do nothing, this mentality leads to nothing being done and a situation getting worse. You do not know God so there's no way you could possibly understand His awesome love.

You god is one which your basic church doctrine purports to be both omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, as well as being perfect (whatever that means, but "flawless" is clearly implied). Therefore, such a god must be held himself to the standards of responsibility which go with the above conditions. What sort of a perfect creator permits his creation to go off and make stupid decisions which it could have prevented? No perfect god can exist under the three O's and allow that! Therefore, either your "Free Will" argument is a nicely dressed-up turd, or it's your god who smells of shit.

  Church doctrine has nothing to do with who God is, so your entire argument means nothing to Christians.
God created a perfect world and man brought sin into it, so man is responsible for his own mess, God told Adam this before he sinned, death will be the way for man. Free will misused by man has caused his suffering, another warning by God to mankind. You must be one of those who wants to blame everyone but yourself of your shortcomings, sad I think.

GC

(February 22, 2016 at 5:01 pm)Godschild Wrote: God created a perfect world and man brought sin into it, so man is responsible for his own mess, God told Adam this before he sinned, death will be the way for man. Free will misused by man has caused his suffering, another warning by God to mankind. You must be one of those who wants to blame everyone but yourself of your shortcomings, sad I think.

GC

Yeah, as usual doing the tap dance and a little acrobatics to make ends meet.

If god created a perfect world, an omniscent being is kind of expected to know what will happen, if he creates man the way he does. So either, pardon my french, god didn't give a shit, did a botch job because he wasn't at his best on that particular day, or he set up a nice little sadistic experiment for his enjoyment.

And I'm sure, you will find a more lofty explanation. Based on your particular flavor of christianity.

(February 20, 2016 at 6:20 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(February 20, 2016 at 4:49 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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I'll ask you too, why is it you believe God should clean up the mess that man has made for himself, actually He has through Christ but that's for another day. I said in my first post I have no idea why God allowed this terrible event to happen, I'm not omniscient. Could it be that God allowed this to move you into action against such horrible events, did you respond, what have you done. The way I see it atheist should stop blaming God for what man has become through the evolution they believe in and don't give me not all atheist believe in evolution, the only other option is God and you title (atheist) removes you from this belief.

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Translation: "It's our fault." Already addressed it (in the OP), but thanks for being predictable. Atheists don't blame god for anything because we don't believe he exists. Get it through your skull.

Right man's fault. You even read the other post by atheist, it's blame, blame, blame God in all of them. If you don't believe then quit blaming God, everyone.

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GC Wrote:Hey silly, man is destroying the spotted owls habitat, man's fault.

RTP Wrote:Hey silly, the Spotted Owl has started interbreeding with the Barred Owl, which is directly impacting its numbers in the wild, so even if we leave its habitat alone, it may still perish due to its breeding habits. They're teaching us all kinds of crazy things in high school biology these days (or at least they were back before I graduated in '06).

Didn't they teach you why these owls are interbreeding, or did you just happen to for get. Let's take a simple look at what's happening, man has destroyed the spotted owls habitat thus less spotted owls to breed with and they turned to breeding with another owl, funny isn't it how they know they can breed with a certain owl for successful breeding. So all in all man started this by destroying habitat, yes man's fault.

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GC Wrote:Just because you do not believe doesn't mean a thing to the child's eternal life, just your's. Yes it comforts me greatly to know this child no longer suffers at the hand of evil and is with God forever. I would say the reason you find what I believe as revolting is because you know at this point in your life you do not have it.

RTP Wrote:Just because you believe in eternal life, doesn't change the fact that there is no evidence of such a thing. Children are comforted by thoughts of Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, but none of those things are real, and you have no evidence that your god is any different.

I have positive evidence that God and all He promises is real, you don't except it because you've never experienced it. Santa and the Tooth Fairy might excite children but comfort, no.

RTP Wrote:The reason your beliefs are revolting is that they demand that you point to an ancient, blood-thirsty, pro-war, pro-rape, pro-genocide fictional character as the creator of the Universe and the source of all goodness, love, and morality therein. Your imaginary friend is imaginary, and if he weren't then he would be an evil monster for reasons I have already explained. The fact that you are able to do the mental gymnastics to ignore this is a testament to the damage religion does to people.

  You've disproved nothing ever, only assumptions you want to believe because you don't want God as part of your life. If that's what you want why is it a reason to run down others.

GC

(February 22, 2016 at 5:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: I have positive evidence that God and all He promises is real....

Every time you say this, God kills a unicorn. Please, GC. Think of the unicorns....

(February 22, 2016 at 5:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: I have positive evidence that God and all He promises is real, you don't except it because you've never experienced it. Santa and the Tooth Fairy might excite children but comfort, no.[/color]

GC

And I have positive evidence that Santa took a shit on my lawn last christmas. Come on, debunk that.

Your evidence is on the same lines, by the way.

(February 22, 2016 at 5:57 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(February 22, 2016 at 5:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: I have positive evidence that God and all He promises is real....

Every time you say this, God kills a unicorn.  Please, GC.  Think of the unicorns....

[Ned Flanders voice]: Gary! Gary! What did GC do to you ?!?

(February 21, 2016 at 11:02 am)Mancunian Wrote:

(February 20, 2016 at 4:26 pm)Godschild Wrote: I do not believe in intelligent design, it has no place in God's creation. Why is it you and all other atheist think God should correct or stop man's cruelty to each other, we made this mess why shouldn't we take the responsibility to clean it up, even if evolution were true shouldn't it be our responsibility? God put each individual here for a purpose and if your'e was to help stop such evil then where have you been. I think you're like most complain and do nothing, this mentality leads to nothing being done and a situation getting worse. You do not know God so there's no way you could possibly understand His awesome love.

GC

So god put serial killers, rapists, child molesters etc here for what purpose?

No, man made himself into these evil things through disobedience of God, we're paying the price for not obeying God and doing what we want.

Mancunian Wrote:I agree we should be all trying to make the world a better place because your god doesn't seem to be very proactive does he. What pisses me off with you people is how cheap you make life out to be, putting more value on death and the nonsense afterlife. If there is a god he obviously doesn't give two shits about anybody or anything.

God's being proactive by creating us for the purpose to help others, because of man's disobedience bad things will always be with us and there will always be a need for man to be proactive with God so the unfortunate can be helped.
By the way your use of  "you people," is degrading, why not use the word Christian instead. 
I guess you don't know that many of the leading hospitals are Christian based, Christian hospitals are some of the leading foundations in treating the sick and discovering new treatments for the sick. Seems to me you have a lot to learn about Christianity.

GC

@ all, since everyone ignored my question to those who responded to my first post I have nothing further to say. Ignoring my question is telling me you either do not care or guilt is running over you. I know that new posts are being presented at this moment and I want answer then either because I'm not getting into the gang up thing.

GC

(February 22, 2016 at 6:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, man made himself into these evil things through disobedience of God, we're paying the price for not obeying God and doing what we want.


GC

Oh, yes, and god, omnipotent, omniscent, eternal creator, didn't know that before grabbing his first hand of mud. According to your narrative, since you subscribe to creationism, he even found it so bad that he erased and rewound with the flood. Only to come up with the same lacking bunch of lowlives.

Yeah, admirable tale. So logical in it's composition.

(February 22, 2016 at 5:01 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(February 20, 2016 at 5:15 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: You god is one which your basic church doctrine purports to be both omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, as well as being perfect (whatever that means, but "flawless" is clearly implied). Therefore, such a god must be held himself to the standards of responsibility which go with the above conditions. What sort of a perfect creator permits his creation to go off and make stupid decisions which it could have prevented? No perfect god can exist under the three O's and allow that! Therefore, either your "Free Will" argument is a nicely dressed-up turd, or it's your god who smells of shit.

  Church doctrine has nothing to do with who God is, so your entire argument means nothing to Christians.
God created a perfect world and man brought sin into it, so man is responsible for his own mess, God told Adam this before he sinned, death will be the way for man. Free will misused by man has caused his suffering, another warning by God to mankind. You must be one of those who wants to blame everyone but yourself of your shortcomings, sad I think.

GC

Actually man didn't bring sin into it.  Lucifer was the first creation that God found unrighteousness in, and he was walking around on the earth with God's permission before Adam sinned.  Yeah, it's true that Adam had dominion over the earth, so God's contract was with him, but God tossed Lucifer out of heaven and let him have free reign in the Garden of Eden. 

Even if God could somehow escape the charge of malintent, he would still have a charge of incompetence against him.  Being all-knowing, he should have foreknown the result of allowing Satan the run of his perfect creation.  Of course, God doesn't accept any responsibility for it.  He feels pretty bad for drowning the whole lot of them later on though.