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Patterns in monotheism & human psychology
#1
Patterns in monotheism & human psychology
Hi,
This is my first post here. I recently read the first chapter of Michel Onfray's Atheist Manifesto. It gives a perspective on the desert life and the birth of monotheism.
After thinking for a long time, here are my thoughts:
Monotheist religion all originated in the areas of middle east which is apparently deserts. Those people at that time where undergoing hardship, the climate too hot, difficult to find food, water. Psychologically after a limit, people starts to believe and convince themselves that there is a better place out some where and dreams of such place to make them take away their consciousness from difficult situations. This can lead into the creation of a place where you get all you want to get, call it heaven. They know that its almost hard to get out of that desert considering the poor transport and other conditions. So the way to get to that dream land is after death. But if such a thought is planted into human mind, then if the mind is weak, people can kill themselves to get over with. But if more and more people start doing then its a threat to their own existence. So to prevent that they came up with the criterion that will decide whether a human will go to heaven or hell after their death and suicides are straight tickets to hell; to maintain the balance of nature.
Also you must consider that these people were of top caliber. They were the top notch scientists (hard to call them a scientist, but anyway just to emphasize the point). History tells us about Algebra, Yunani etc. So they have good knowledge on various aspects that they put down into that book in a cryptic manner. And kept those knowledge a secret from the general public; to tell them that those where sacred knowledge that they received from "God".

But the interesting point I wanted to make is if you have gone through the scriptures like Bible, Quran, its states that hell is fire. Everything in hell is hot. Its completely fire, deadly. But why is that its only fire? Of course fire i.e, heat depicts the extremities of desert. And there are various sizes and methodologies in which a person who is a sinner will get punished. But why is there no ice? Or cold treatment? Punishments can be made using extreme coldness as well.
In Quran, its told that skin will be removed, tortured. Then his skin will be restored, again this process continues. But why isn't there any mentioning of freezing a person, breaking his some freaking body part, then giving his body part back fresh, then freezing him again.. (And I smell sadistic, abnormal behavior, and thinking that the person had in him when writing those 'religious' books)?

So it must be evident that these religious books and the religion are all the work done by humans alone to keep them withstand their hardship.

So what do you think?
Thanks.
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#2
RE: Patterns in monotheism & human psychology
Sounds like a lot of rubbish. The rise of monotheism had more to do with conquest and politics, than geography. Sennacherib's defeat by dysentery outside the walls of Jerusalem, and Emperor Constantin's conversion to Christianity to save his crumbling empire. To name a few.

Hell, as we know it evolved after monotheism's rise. The early ideas about 'Hell', by different names, had nothing to do with fire. It doesn't sound like this guy knows what he is talking about.
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RE: Patterns in monotheism & human psychology
Quote:Monotheist religion all originated in the areas of middle east which is apparently deserts.


Only if you give the OT far more credit than it deserves.


The earliest monotheistic religions arose ( briefly ) in Egypt and specifically not in the desert part, and Zoroastrianism in Iran.

Zoroaster's Ahura-Mazda had a lot more staying power than Akenaten's "Aten."

I recommend William Dever's "Did God Have A Wife" for your reading pleasure.

Hello, Jase, btw.
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RE: Patterns in monotheism & human psychology
(March 3, 2011 at 5:26 pm)jase21 Wrote: So to prevent that they came up with the criterion that will decide whether a human will go to heaven or hell after their death and suicides are straight tickets to hell; to maintain the balance of nature.
Also you must consider that these people were of top caliber. They were the top notch scientists (hard to call them a scientist, but anyway just to emphasize the point). History tells us about Algebra, Yunani etc. So they have good knowledge on various aspects that they put down into that book in a cryptic manner. And kept those knowledge a secret from the general public; to tell them that those where sacred knowledge that they received from "God".

So what do you think?
Thanks.

Reward and punishment after death were not unique to the Hebrews./Jews or Christians. Ancient Greeks, Romans, The Egyptians, all had their form of heaven and underworld(hell/Hades/Sheol).

In the bible, hell is only mentioned in the Old Testaments of the 2 King James versions. It doesn't appear in the OT of any other bibles. "Hell" is basically a modern invention by Christianity, in terms of burning for all eternity. The Romans were masters of fear.

The god Yahweh/Jehovah/Christian god/Allah was one of many worshipped by the Canaanites/Hebrews who only became monotheist after they believed that Yahweh rescued them from Egypt.

Your statement about the Canaanites/Hebrews/Jews being top-notch scientists is a little far-fetched! They were basically illiterate donkey nomads, with just a few scribes able to read and write. It was these scribes who wrote all the nonsense of the Old testament/Jewish bible. Nothing scientific there, just myths, legends and fairy tales written to make the Hebrews/Jews feel more important than they really were. A book of inspiration, no less.

The scientists came from Egypt, Greece and Rome and they were quickly silenced, along with medical researchers, when Constantine designed the Roman version of Christianity. Christianity abolished smart thinking, burned untold numbers of scientific and philosophic works, teaching that no one needed knowledge of anything except Christianity in order to survive in this World.

Christianity didn't need to "keep things secret". The bible was written in Latin and even many bishops and priests couldn't even read Latin! It was illegal and punishable by death for anyone except clergy to even look inside the bible, even though it was written in Latin.

A good site for research is http://www.jesusneverexisted.com lots of interesting info.


There are many intelligent Christians, no doubt, but an "intellectual Christian", is surely an oxymoron.
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RE: Patterns in monotheism & human psychology
(March 3, 2011 at 5:26 pm)jase21 Wrote: But the interesting point I wanted to make is if you have gone through the scriptures like Bible, Quran, its states that hell is fire. Everything in hell is hot. Its completely fire, deadly. But why is that its only fire? Of course fire i.e, heat depicts the extremities of desert. And there are various sizes and methodologies in which a person who is a sinner will get punished. But why is there no ice? Or cold treatment? Punishments can be made using extreme coldness as well.

I think the concept of a fiery hell has more to do with the frequent volcanism in Mediterranean. Having no geologic understanding of what they were witnessing, they would be forced conclude that something VERY powerful and VERY hot was spewing from an unknown mythical realm below them.

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RE: Patterns in monotheism & human psychology
(March 3, 2011 at 5:26 pm)jase21 Wrote: Hi,
This is my first post here. I recently read the first chapter of Michel Onfray's Atheist Manifesto. It gives a perspective on the desert life and the birth of monotheism.

Michel Onfray has been rightly criticised for shoddy scholarship in his book The Atheist Manifesto. There are much better books out there when it comes to explaining religion psychologically, such as Pascal Boyer's Religion Explained.

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RE: Patterns in monotheism & human psychology
Thinking
Interesting replies.
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#8
RE: Patterns in monotheism & human psychology
In a forum full of interesting replies. Tongue
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