Has I said before he never has pushed his believes on anyone. All Atheist's do not regard him has a superior being in the community of Atheism. He just happens to be one the most famous ones of our time. The way I perceive the community has a whole is this. There are many sects in the Atheistic believe, the main ones are as followed; Type A:The one's who view Atheism as a superior school of thought and should be the only school of thought. Type B: Atheist's who peaceful co-exist with the religious school of thought and only attack when a rational view is being attacked with religious jargon (Stem cell research, and genetic engineering). Type C: Agnostics who follow suite with Pascal's wager who's school of thought reflects both possible outcomes and favor neither. Type D: The hidden Atheist, this person does not publicly nor socially admits to be an Atheist, he or she keeps their views cryptic to avoid confrontations. The most of common view point I've heard from this group is "I'm just a person, I don't involve myself in such matters.".

(February 26, 2016 at 8:43 pm)scoobysnack Wrote:

(February 26, 2016 at 8:22 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Pretty sure that isn't Dawkins, nor is it pertinent to the topic.

Drunkpost much?

Let me know when Dawkins has a TV show pushing atheism on you.  Until then, you should probably think more and post less.  Your weak mind is showing.

Dude I don't want to fight with you. I really couldn't care less about what Dawkins says or writes about. You're making a mountain out of an ant hill. Ok, i'll let you know when his tv show starts up.

Or, alternatively, you could simply say "I was wrong about him pushing atheism on me" -- but I don't think that's going to happen, you've got too much emotional investment in your worldview to admit error. You'd rather simply back out of the conversation as you're trying to do here.

Again: think more and post less.

(February 26, 2016 at 10:48 pm)Sterben Wrote: Has I said before he never has pushed his believes on anyone. All Atheist's do not regard him has a superior being in the community of Atheism. He just happens to be one the most famous ones of our time. The way I perceive the community has a whole is this. There are many sects in the Atheistic believe, the main ones are as followed; Type A:The one's who view Atheism as a superior school of thought and should be the only school of thought. Type B: Atheist's who peaceful co-exist with the religious school of thought and only attack when a rational view is being attacked with religious jargon (Stem cell research, and genetic engineering). Type C: Agnostics who follow suite with Pascal's wager who's school of thought reflects both possible outcomes and favor neither. Type D: The hidden Atheist, this person does not publicly nor socially admits to be an Atheist, he or she keeps their views cryptic to avoid confrontations. The most of common view point I've heard from this group is "I'm just a person, I don't involve myself in such matters.".

See you are the atheist I can respect. Everyone has a different perspective, and even though I believe in God or in my opinion accept and understand their is a God, I don't get my panties in a bunch like some people do, and neither do you if people disagree with us. Like you explain even in atheism there are various levels, just like there are denominations in various religions. Keep up the good work, even though we disagree on some issues, we also agree on other issues. I'd prefer to find common ground with people on this forum, but I'm not afraid to give my perspective even if it clashes with their paradigm.

As much as people will disagree i'm not here to troll, or just piss in the sand box. I'm here because I have an opinion, just like everyone else. Even though I'm not an atheist, I actually enjoy this forum. From a programming perspective it's one of the nicer ones.

(February 26, 2016 at 8:43 pm)scoobysnack Wrote: Dude I don't want to fight with you. I really couldn't care less about what Dawkins says or writes about.

ummm, You're the one who came here and stated that you didn't care for him "pushing atheism" on people by writing his books and giving speeches. Now you're claiming to not care about what he says or writes about?

I'm confused.

(February 27, 2016 at 12:53 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(February 26, 2016 at 8:43 pm)scoobysnack Wrote: Dude I don't want to fight with you. I really couldn't care less about what Dawkins says or writes about.

ummm, You're the one who came here and stated that you didn't care for him "pushing atheism" on people by writing his books and giving speeches. Now you're claiming to not care about what he says or writes about?

I'm confused.

Let me realign your thinking then. Obviously he supports atheism, and anyone can understand that. I don't care what he does, it's that simple. I disagree with his conclusions, but really for me this is a non issue. I hope he recovers from his stroke.

(February 27, 2016 at 12:35 am)scoobysnack Wrote:

(February 26, 2016 at 10:48 pm)Sterben Wrote: Has I said before he never has pushed his believes on anyone. All Atheist's do not regard him has a superior being in the community of Atheism. He just happens to be one the most famous ones of our time. The way I perceive the community has a whole is this. There are many sects in the Atheistic believe, the main ones are as followed; Type A:The one's who view Atheism as a superior school of thought and should be the only school of thought. Type B: Atheist's who peaceful co-exist with the religious school of thought and only attack when a rational view is being attacked with religious jargon (Stem cell research, and genetic engineering). Type C: Agnostics who follow suite with Pascal's wager who's school of thought reflects both possible outcomes and favor neither. Type D: The hidden Atheist, this person does not publicly nor socially admits to be an Atheist, he or she keeps their views cryptic to avoid confrontations. The most of common view point I've heard from this group is "I'm just a person, I don't involve myself in such matters.".

See you are the atheist I can respect. Everyone has a different perspective, and even though I believe in God or in my opinion accept and understand their is a God, I don't get my panties in a bunch like some people do, and neither do you if people disagree with us. Like you explain even in atheism there are various levels, just like there are denominations in various religions. Keep up the good work, even though we disagree on some issues, we also agree on other issues. I'd prefer to find common ground with people on this forum, but I'm not afraid to give my perspective even if it clashes with their paradigm.

As much as people will disagree i'm not here to troll, or just piss in the sand box. I'm here because I have an opinion, just like everyone else. Even though I'm not an atheist, I actually enjoy this forum. From a programming perspective it's one of the nicer ones.

         Thanks, I try to my best to be a fair minded Atheist. Has long as your views are not harming a other persons well being, stick to your guns. If you say to a parent who's child is really sick that you don't need hospital. Your views are hurting someone then. I'll play devils advocate on self here for bit, let's say there is a god. He or she is not going to have the ability to do everything to help. If you were to apply logic to this problem, modern medical care would be a gift of man to mankind and not a gift a from god. He or she be a terrible god if the tribe had no self reliance, right? Would it be right for that child to suffer cause of parents think that a god is going to help there child get better?... Now, on to my view. When I was younger and first became an Atheist. I was pissed off about how much I missed out on cause of a flawed system. All those years of being a child and fearing the teachings of a system that by commuting those actions had little to no punishments. Then learning the real history of how much harm that religion has caused through out human history. I wanted to bring down the whole system that had enslaved entire populations for centuries and punished those who challenged that system. I then became more educated and realized that this system will never be brought down fully.


          I wish there was more chill religious people like you in society. Were getting there though, the hardliners are starting to die out and the new generations are taking control of a outdated system and bring it up to a new version. I'm just waiting the pope to bring a other fashion that has been around for way to long to an end. The Pro-life movement needs to finally come to an end, I'm growing tired this argument that is like a cold that keeps coming back. Atheist or Religious you can't argue with math on this one. There is way to many people on this planet and something needs to be done. There's no reason for big families to be created, when you get over four kids your getting greedy on the resources. Right Scoobysnack?

(February 27, 2016 at 1:12 am)scoobysnack Wrote:

(February 27, 2016 at 12:53 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote: ummm, You're the one who came here and stated that you didn't care for him "pushing atheism" on people by writing his books and giving speeches. Now you're claiming to not care about what he says or writes about?

I'm confused.

Let me realign your thinking then. Obviously he supports atheism, and anyone can understand that. I don't care what he does, it's that simple. I disagree with his conclusions, but really for me this is a non issue. I hope he recovers from his stroke.

(February 27, 2016 at 1:12 am)scoobysnack Wrote:

(February 27, 2016 at 12:53 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote: ummm, You're the one who came here and stated that you didn't care for him "pushing atheism" on people by writing his books and giving speeches. Now you're claiming to not care about what he says or writes about?

I'm confused.

Let me realign your thinking then. Obviously he supports atheism, and anyone can understand that. I don't care what he does, it's that simple. I disagree with his conclusions, but really for me this is a non issue. I hope he recovers from his stroke.

It's a shame you can't simply admit you were talking out of your ass, when everyone here can see that is exactly what was happening.

Dishonest much?

Why yes, yes you do.

(February 27, 2016 at 1:20 am)Sterben Wrote:

(February 27, 2016 at 12:35 am)scoobysnack Wrote: See you are the atheist I can respect. Everyone has a different perspective, and even though I believe in God or in my opinion accept and understand their is a God, I don't get my panties in a bunch like some people do, and neither do you if people disagree with us. Like you explain even in atheism there are various levels, just like there are denominations in various religions. Keep up the good work, even though we disagree on some issues, we also agree on other issues. I'd prefer to find common ground with people on this forum, but I'm not afraid to give my perspective even if it clashes with their paradigm.

As much as people will disagree i'm not here to troll, or just piss in the sand box. I'm here because I have an opinion, just like everyone else. Even though I'm not an atheist, I actually enjoy this forum. From a programming perspective it's one of the nicer ones.

         Thanks, I try to my best to be a fair minded Atheist. Has long as your views are not harming a other persons well being, stick to your guns. If you say to a parent who's child is really sick that you don't need hospital. Your views are hurting someone then. I'll play devils advocate on self here for bit, let's say there is a god. He or she is not going to have the ability to do everything to help. If you were to apply logic to this problem, modern medical care would be a gift of man to mankind and not a gift a from god. He or she be a terrible god if the tribe had no self reliance, right? Would it be right for that child to suffer cause of parents think that a god is going to help there child get better?... Now, on to my view. When I was younger and first became an Atheist. I was pissed off about how much I missed out on cause of a flawed system. All those years of being a child and fearing the teachings of a system that by commuting those actions had little to no punishments. Then learning the real history of how much harm that religion has caused through out human history. I wanted to bring down the whole system that had enslaved entire populations for centuries and punished those who challenged that system. I then became more educated and realized that this system will never be brought down fully.


          I wish there was more chill religious people like you in society. Were getting there though, the hardliners are starting to die out and the new generations are taking control of a outdated system and bring it up to a new version. I'm just waiting the pope to bring a other fashion that has been around for way to long to an end. The Pro-life movement needs to finally come to an end, I'm growing tired this argument that is like a cold that keeps coming back. Atheist or Religious you can't argue with math on this one. There is way to many people on this planet and something needs to be done. There's no reason for big families to be created, when you get over four kids your getting greedy on the resources. Right Scoobysnack?

Well I disagree with about 75% of what you say, but i'm too tired to write an actual response towards my position right now. However, I appreciate the dialog, and look forward to talking tomorrow. At the same time, we all disagree as we are all humans, but lets try to find some common ground.

(February 27, 2016 at 2:12 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(February 27, 2016 at 1:12 am)scoobysnack Wrote: Let me realign your thinking then. Obviously he supports atheism, and anyone can understand that. I don't care what he does, it's that simple. I disagree with his conclusions, but really for me this is a non issue. I hope he recovers from his stroke.

It's a shame you can't simply admit you were talking out of your ass, when everyone here can see that is exactly what was happening.

Dishonest much?

Why yes, yes you do.

You're still here? Why don't you prove your point and then we can debate!