(March 15, 2016 at 6:13 pm)AJW333 Wrote: How do you reconcile the theories of extra dimensions and SCIENTIFIC fact? No one's proven that they exist but yet many scientists are convinced that they are real. 

Everything that we are capable of testing under QM has proven to be true. QM shows that there are other dimensions.

(March 15, 2016 at 12:07 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: DNA has a 'code' only in the sense that its structure is analogous to the sort of code people create. This analog is not proof that DNA was created in the same way that computer code is created.

You are reaching here. The DNA code is similar to Morse code, eg A is dot-dash, N is dash-dot, O is dash-dash-dash etc. We have information being relayed from one form to another - dots and dashes in certain sequences mean certain letters and in DNA, certain combinations of bases represent certain amino acids. These amino acids in certain sequences produce specific proteins.

(March 15, 2016 at 12:07 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Furthermore, most mutations do indeed increase death and disability. It's only the rare beneficial mutations which stick around.

So if the vast majority of mutations wreak havoc with an organism, and a vast number of positive mutations are required to go from pond slime to human beings, isn't it a giant leap of faith to think you could go from one living organism in the beginning, to hundreds of thousands of wildly different species with virtually no trace of failed intermediates?

(March 15, 2016 at 12:07 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:

Quote:How many pregnant women are hoping that their baby has a mutation in their DNA? None I would imagine because the end result is overwhelmingly negative. So if our real, actual experience of DNA mutation amounts to a pile of crap, why would you believe that  it lead to the development of such an amazingly complex and functional code? As a process, mutation of the human DNA has very little, if anything going for it.

Shouldn't the more cogent question be, why hasn't God debugged his code more thoroughly?

Nope. That is because the Scripture tells us that all creation has been affected by sin and corruption.

Are you even trying to make a point? What's your best case scenario here? "Magic is real"?

"Science is rubbish?"

All you're doing is showing you don't understand science, scientific language or logic. It is increasingly difficult to believe someone with a credible science degree could know so little about all this.

DNA isn't a code, our intepretation of DNA forms a code for convenience. Yet another equivocation.

(March 16, 2016 at 6:56 am)AJW333 Wrote: So if the vast majority of mutations wreak havoc with an organism, and a vast number of positive mutations are required to go from pond slime to human beings, isn't it a giant leap of faith to think you could go from one living organism in the beginning, to hundreds of thousands of wildly different species with virtually no trace of failed intermediates?

The "failed intermediates" never survived enough to breed and pass on their failed genetic makeup. How would you be expecting to spot them?


Also, I think that, in the beginning, there must have been lots of similar self-replicating "organisms" which all self-assembled spontaneously in the same "soup" conditions...

pocaracas

Quote:In other news, speciation has been observed in the lab and no god was required  for it to happen... Just enough generations... Not exactly something feasible with humans...

So where are all the  intermediates? There should be thousands, if not millions of them.

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(March 15, 2016 at 5:20 am)robvalue Wrote: Ancient man didn't have any impressive knowledge. It's all retrofitting garbage.

In the bible, they thought the world was the universe. Clearly. They thought the sky was a "firmament". They were completely and utterly wrong.

Anyone can make shit up, and anyone can try and see truth in that shit if they really want to believe in it. People believe horoscopes, even though it reduces us to just a few types of people.

If we're talking about what's likely, it's extremely likely that abiogenesis happened naturally. Scientists are not far off. But now the criteria change, and "not 100% sure" becomes "Ignore everything and make up any old bollocks".

What do you make of this?

Job 26:7
"He stretches out the north over the void
and hangs the earth on nothing."

(March 16, 2016 at 7:06 am)AJW333 Wrote: pocaracas

Quote:In other news, speciation has been observed in the lab and no god was required  for it to happen... Just enough generations... Not exactly something feasible with humans...

So where are all the  intermediates? There should be thousands, if not millions of them.

Millions of animal species out there... would disagree.

But I don't think that's what you want.... I'm not even sure you'll understand what I just wrote.
Which intermediates are you looking for?
All individuals' DNA perfectly recorded since the dawn of the great apes to present day humans? Since the dawn of life to today's wide abundance?
You know that's not feasible, right?

I want the ones you haven't got, please.

What do I make of that quote? Nothing. It's stupid. If your scientific knowledge is comparable to statements like this, I think we all know where we stand.

(March 15, 2016 at 7:59 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(March 15, 2016 at 7:25 am)AJW333 Wrote: Plenty of substance that you choose to ignore. Is it "silly" to say that our  actual experience of genetic mutation in humans is overwhelmingly negative? Absolutely not.

Is it "silly" to question how a 3 billion piece code mutated itself into existence when all we tend to see is mutation doing damage to human DNA? Absolutely not.

Does it take an enormous amount of faith on your part to believe that a fundamentally damaging process to human DNA is responsible for vastly improving it? Abso-frigging-lutely!

I see your problem, you lack education on the subject. Initially life evolved ever so slowly for billions of years only single celled organisms because of the rarety of useful mutations, Then creatures started to screw and that made evolution so much easier so in a few hundred million years from then you get us. There are six billion humans each with multiple mutations and most at some point sharing their dna with others. there you go, your "silly" question resolved without the need for an impossible magic man in the sky.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO8CTVH7Law

So out of the estimated 107 billion human beings that have ever lived, dating back over 200,000 years, what new species have evolved so far?

I thought you'd studied science or something? Are you asking for an education now?

(March 16, 2016 at 7:20 am)AJW333 Wrote: So out of the estimated 107 billion human beings that have ever lived, dating back over 200,000 years, what new species have evolved so far?

Stupid is as stupid does, as Forrest Gump used to say. Maybe keep up with research and recent fossil finds, if that's not too much to ask.

You haven't asked why there are still monkeys so far. But I'm sure that's on the horizon too, since it's in the book of apologist 101.