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Is Lack of Belief the Best You Can Do?
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 (March 22, 2016 at 8:15 pm)Felasco Wrote:Quote:Anytime faith is a component of a belief, reason has left the building. You know of a superior method? Please, we're all ears. By your reckoning, must we also leave the door open for unicorns, Sasquatch, and leprechauns? 
Hey... leave my glitter farting unicorn out of this.
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 RE: Is Lack of Belief the Best You Can Do?
March 23, 2016 at 4:40 am
(This post was last modified: March 23, 2016 at 4:43 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
Cracks me up -- what does he think built the computer he's typing on, and the Internet he's posting on, if not reason?
(March 23, 2016 at 3:09 am)robvalue Wrote:(March 22, 2016 at 6:43 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Because I like to encourage the rationality of my fellow man. ;-) Rob, are you going to pontificate? 
I very much expect so. But I'll be sure to clean up when I'm done.
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (March 23, 2016 at 4:40 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Cracks me up -- what does he think built the computer he's typing on, and the Internet he's posting on, if not reason? If you are please don't use "human reason", use the other kind of reason.
Cat reason?
By the way, if you ever wondered who would win between a creationist and an atheist, where the creationist is a cat, wonder no more: http://youtu.be/s2IeWIaBd88 Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (March 23, 2016 at 4:42 am)robvalue Wrote: I very much expect so. But I'll be sure to clean up when I'm done. LMAO
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken. 
Lack of belief SHOULD be the best we can do.
If you are going to believe without evidence, then reality isn't your thing. You belong with the pixies and the unicorns. The only reason I can think of where a theist would get offended with the above is because pixies and unicorns don't offer an afterlife.
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.  (March 18, 2016 at 4:10 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: As a believer I still like to follow the musings of the "opposition". Occasionally I find positions with which I agree. Even before reading this article, I adopted a signature mocking the idea that atheism is simply a lack of belief. I have posted this link as an invitation to discuss the points raised by the author who just so happens to be an atheist: Can't be bothered reading the link. I don't have any appetite for pseudo-philosophy masquerading as mental masturbation. But I will say that I don't personally just have a lack of belief, I think the whole concept of a god is so nebulous, logically inconsistent and goes against all the evidence that we have accumulated so far that I am happy to state that I believe that there is no such thing as a god. I am also happy with the majority of other atheists stating that they simply lack a belief in a god. It would be arrogant of me and anyone else to tell them what they think.  RE: Is Lack of Belief the Best You Can Do?
March 23, 2016 at 8:34 am
(This post was last modified: March 23, 2016 at 8:44 am by Felasco.)
(March 23, 2016 at 3:24 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(March 22, 2016 at 8:15 pm)Felasco Wrote: Please provide proof that the rules of human reason are binding upon all of reality, and thus any gods contained within. Does the fact that many theists don't know of any superior method to their holy book prove that the rules stated in their holy book are binding upon all of reality, and thus any gods contained within? Point being, if we agree that 1) there is no superior method to reason, it doesn't automatically follow that 2) reason is therefore qualified to make meaningful statements about the fundamental nature of all reality, the scope of god proposals. Proof is required to make the leap from assertion 1) to assertion 2). As example, if we could prove beyond any doubt that you are the best poster on this forum, it doesn't automatically follow you that therefore you can write the next best selling book. A proven ability at one scale does not automatically prove an ability at an entirely different scale. A better example perhaps, the fact that 1) holy books have provided meaning and comfort to billions of people over thousands of years does not automatically prove that 2) they are therefore qualified to make meaningful statements about the fundamental nature of all reality. The following may help.... IDEOLOGIST: If a member is an ideologist, they will resist all challenges to their preferred conclusion by any method necessary. REASONIST: If a member is a person of reason, they will apply the same challenges to their chosen authority that they apply to other people's chosen authority, in as objective and even handed manner as possible. A reasonist will welcome a challenge such as the following, because they aren't concerned with victory but in developing understanding. Quote:Please provide proof that the rules of human reason, or holy books, are binding upon all of reality, and thus any gods contained within. An ideologist will welcome such a question only if it helps them proceed towards a rhetorical victory. |
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