(March 24, 2016 at 10:31 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Didn't it occur to anyone trotting out Mitt Romney, the FUCKING LOSER from the last election, that to exhort the Trumpites to repent of their heresy and fall in line with the party poobahs, is precisely the sort of attitude the Trumpites are sick and fucking tired of ??

Hell, even the evangelicals are ready to throw Jesus under the bus to get Trump, despite his crowing about about ADULTERY, why would the party hierarchy think they are going to be able to control, this movement with a business as usual attitude ??

They're in a new game, new rules and strategies and playbooks now.

Suppose Hillary has noticed? Dem party is administered and organized probably not too dissimilarly from the 'Pubs, the electorate is increasingly in an ugly mood, might want to be rethinking everything that has the taint of having been done before.

The dems and repubs are on the same side. They are part of the establishment. The republucunt party would rather have Hillary because she is one of them.

Well, except for Karl Rove, his bowels are going to leap out of his body and strangle him. . . .

(March 24, 2016 at 12:48 pm)KUSA Wrote:

(March 24, 2016 at 10:31 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Didn't it occur to anyone trotting out Mitt Romney, the FUCKING LOSER from the last election, that to exhort the Trumpites to repent of their heresy and fall in line with the party poobahs, is precisely the sort of attitude the Trumpites are sick and fucking tired of ??

Hell, even the evangelicals are ready to throw Jesus under the bus to get Trump, despite his crowing about about ADULTERY, why would the party hierarchy think they are going to be able to control, this movement with a business as usual attitude ??

They're in a new game, new rules and strategies and playbooks now.  

Suppose Hillary has noticed?  Dem party is administered and organized probably not too dissimilarly from the 'Pubs, the electorate is increasingly in an ugly mood, might want to be rethinking everything that has the taint of having been done before.

The dems and repubs are on the same side. They are part of the establishment. The republucunt party would rather have Hillary because she is one of them.

NO they are not, and that also makes you a hypocrite, because if your hero really thought that, he would have run 3rd party from the start. He's running for the same corporate whore party of the GOP, not  different party.

Now you also stupidly confuse politicians with ideas. Our voters, have always been on the right side of history. Now over the past 40 years since Reagan started "trickle up" our politicians have been held hostage by the GOP, but that is about the only thing you could accuse us of. 

And Hillary was not in government when Reagan started that, nor did she occupy every seat in congress over that 40 years. More bullshit demagoguery on your part.

That the repubs would rather have Hillary than Trump ought to be a canary in the mines moment,  clearly it ins't.  Seems like too many people have overestimated this "establishment" business.  It's not as though it's an exclusive club, vote Trump in for whatever ridiculous reason you like and guess what...he's part of the establishment.

Will his supporters suddenly distrust him on account of it? Do they actually expect that he can effect change (do they think that anyone running for office could do so)? Talk about sucking the government tit. Waiting for kings to proclaim from on high. "If I could just get my boy in, gov'mint would make it all better for me and mine!"

-doubtful.

Takes a fuckin half an hour just to ring up a few bags of feed because, inevitably, some dick in line and the genius behind the register have swallowed the koolaid and feel the need to opine at length about it right there in the loading bay.

@OP, because it's theater, and it doesn't matter. If they ace him out with faithless delegates it won;t be the first time it;s happened. Hell, it happened last election cycle.

Trump is probably going to be president. He's tapped into the same type of angst that Obama did in 2008, but since most US media is pro-Democrat, the Trump supporters are allegedly "white redneck racists."

Trump is a masterful politician. He's risen to the nomination against all naysayers. He single-handedly derailed Bush's campaign, who was the big-donor favorite. His campaign even gets a free ride, courtesy of the ratings-hungry media.

What was one of Trump's famous 90s sayings? "Better to be underestimated," or something like that? When Trump goes against Hillary, he'll continue to use dirty tactics, but he'll have suddenly become "smarter" and "more informed," too. He'll tear her down the same way he torn down every other victim in his wake.

One would imagine that doing so would lose him his supporters, since they seem to be a'feared of politicians, of being manipulated by government talking heads. One would be wrong ofc, lol. That's not at all why people support Trump, it's just a socially acceptable thing to say when asked. Genteel bigorty, "angst" as you might put it, mmmm-mmm-mmm, makes me feel like a kid again.

(March 24, 2016 at 1:11 pm)The Atheist Wrote: Trump is probably going to be president. He's tapped into the same type of angst that Obama did in 2008, but since most US media is pro-Democrat, the Trump supporters are allegedly "white redneck racists."

Trump is a masterful politician. He's risen to the nomination against all naysayers. He single-handedly derailed Bush's campaign, who was the big-donor favorite. His campaign even gets a free ride, courtesy of the ratings-hungry media.

What was one of Trump's famous 90s sayings? "Better to be underestimated," or something like that? When Trump goes against Hillary, he'll continue to use dirty tactics, but he'll have suddenly become "smarter" and "more informed," too. He'll tear her down the same way he torn down every other victim in his wake.

Nope, he will not beat Hillary, or Bernie for that matter. The gains are in the swing voters, and the math is simply not there in the minority vote or swing vote to counter all the base he has pissed off. And Hillary isn't stupid either, she will eat him alive and so will the PACS that support her.

The entire party knows he is sinking them and is merely now trying to see if they can either get someone else nominated, or cut their losses to save the party.

I think it's too late for that.  The GOP is damned if they do, and damned if they don't. It;s gonna be -the-way to smear a Republican candidate going forward. You just say they're from the party of Trump, or the party that cut a man out when they couldn't control him. GG, votes won. Automatons yank the lever for less.

They have brought this on themselves.  Lindsay Graham's bullshit aside they have assiduously courted racist asswipes since Nixon.  Now?  Fuck 'em.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/lindsey-...ably-will/

Quote:Lindsey Graham feels hopeless after backing Cruz: ‘We could lose in 2016 and we probably will’

Quote:“Here’s my concern,” Graham said. “Trump gets wiped out. Ted, I don’t know if he can beat [Hillary Clinton] or not but at least we’ve got a fighting chance.”

“If Trump is the standard-bearer, it’s not about 2016, it’s about losing the heart and soul of the conservative movement. I’m not going to stand behind a guy that gets David Duke’s support.”

He didn't seem to have the same scruples as he stood behind the party that pandered to that support.  Maybe all these movers and shakers never actually thought they would succeed in what they set out to do? Most probably knew they;d never live to see how the cookie crumbled either way, ofc. A certain subset probably didn't think there would -be- a 2016.