Sometimes there is a blurred line between terrorism and collateral damage.

(March 23, 2016 at 12:25 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:

(March 23, 2016 at 3:10 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: How many monitors (thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions) will it take to monitor all of those refugees and their kids 24/7/365 for the next 100 years?  And how much will it cost?

If your home looked like this would you really need an asshole to radicalize you?  http://cdn-r1.unilad.co.uk/wp-content/up....03.07.png

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Please point out for the rest of the class where I said their monitoring should be 24/7/365 for the next 100 years.

Also, what would be your solution?  I think that allowing, let's say, a few hundred thousand people in at once, people who we know will be unwittingly providing cover for radicals requires some kind of security response, don't you?

Keep in mind, I'm not saying:

Put them in prison
Put them in camps
Otherwise treat them inhumanely

Just that something needs to happen if we let them in.  "Let them in and fuck the consequences" isn't really much better than "Don't let them in" from a security standpoint.

I'm thinking more of a parole-type setup, but one that's more positively focused.  Where these people get taught English (or whatever the main language(s) of the Western country they've fled to is), job training if necessary, job placement, etc.  Let them earn money, make something positive for themselves again, and pay taxes.  Check in once a week or two to some kind of officer/coordinator/counselor to both ease the transition and to allow us to keep some tabs on them.  Because it's a lot better than just sitting around in FEMA camps or whatever with no outlet for one's passions/frustrations/anger/sadness/etc.

I mean, we already do this.  It doesn't seem like an impossible task to expand/replicate it.  The biggest hurdle, in my mind, is housing.  Actual housing, not tents or shit.

As far as the costs go, well, maybe we should've thought of that before toppling governments while not having any viable follow up strategy.

Something needs to be done, and the extreme positions - doing nothing or just letting them in after an initial vetting (because we all know how awesome we are at not letting people on terror watch lists in) - aren't realistic.

See, this is what happens when dummies run the government.  They went over to other people's countries and caused havoc and mayhem and now millions of people have been scattered to the winds.  So now the dummies want to treat them better than their own citizens.  Hell, our own vets, homeless, and released prisoners don't get squat to help them reintegrate into society and now the dummies want to roll out the red carpet for people who don't have any shared values.  

This current phase of the problem is our dummies' fault.  The assholes need to learn to stop fucking around in other people's countries and focus on doing their jobs in their own countries for their own citizens' benefits.  

The solution should be that the Western and Islamic countries that screwed things up in the war affected countries should have to fork over a minimum war reparation of $100,000 per person in those countries on a pro-rated basis of their involvement.  Hell, Hulk Hogan got $125 million because someone showed his sex tapes.  And then all muslims would be deported back to their home countries without exception.

(March 23, 2016 at 1:21 am)KevinM1 Wrote: The refugee crisis is actually a perfect piece of strategy from ISIS.  Their stated goal is to increase anti-Islamic sentiment.  They want all Muslims to feel disenfranchised and isolated in the West.  And we're playing right into their hands with the refugees.  They want us to turn away millions of tired, hungry, sick, desperate people because of the threat posed by a relative handful in their midst (note that I'm not denying that threat exists).  Even 'better', ISIS can turn around and say, "Look!  Look how the West proves their own hypocrisy!  Look how they make our brothers and sisters and children die in the streets!"

It's terribly brilliant.  The best solution would be to let them in after a thorough screening process, then monitor them closely.  I'm not sure if separating them would be beneficial or make things more difficult.

Regarding leftist PC stuff, there's a push back taking place.  I consider myself pretty liberal, but I find the notion that ANY religion must be treated with kid gloves abhorrent.  Fuck Mohammed up the ass with a rusty spike.

Haha, yes, go ahead and let more in, and then insult Muhammed. That's the problem with the left. They think by advancing social services to Muslims, they will be appeased and just live happily ever after. They are there to live as Muslims, not integrate, and they will only attempt to grow, and start sharia law, as that is what they desire. The left thinks they want to become Europeans. Get a clue.

As if not allowing Muslims in is the reason for them attacking Europe. They are attacking infidels, for not believing in allah. Europe is going to see the error of their ways, but they will not blame all the immigrants coming. They will blame the people who are against the immigration. This is why the left is suicidal.

(March 23, 2016 at 6:57 am)KUSA Wrote: Trump will stop this madness. Believe me.

Well one reason would be not allowing your enemy into your borders, but the left wants the enemy into their borders, because they don't know their enemy wants to kill them, they think they want to kill them for not letting them in, so they let them in and still wonder why they are attacked. It's like an abused women. The left will kill Europe, but since it's the plan, you have only a few years left.

You are moving towards a police state. YOu will not track muslims. That will be intolerant. They will track you all, install metal detectors in your subways and shopping centers etc. The control grid will be all around you. After all, this is what they desired, they only needed a threat to your life for you to accept it.

Russia is already doing this, and from what I've seen, everyone wants more control over their lives on this forum.

(March 23, 2016 at 2:25 pm)KUSA Wrote: Sometimes there is a blurred line between terrorism and collateral damage.

Yeah, I know.  When they murder civilians its terrorism and when we do it it is collateral damage.

Bullshit comes in many fragrances, K.

Carpet bombing is not terrorism!

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They're revising what happened with the 3rd bomb at the airport.

It was not defused or intentionally detonated by authorities. It exploded on it's own, after the area was cleared after the first two. Apparently the third blast was much bigger, but caused no further casualties.

In view of that, I'm wondering if reports the 3rd (fourth) terrorist who brought it in 'chickened' out. If the device was timed to blast the rescue efforts from the first two, then other than the timing being off (did first 2 predetonate??) it looks like it performed as intended without a martyr to set it off.

(March 23, 2016 at 6:57 am)KUSA Wrote: Trump will stop this madness. Believe me.

Ah I get it now.

Trump is like the Chuck Norris meme isn't he, joking of all the impossible things that he can do.

I'm really sorry. I thought all this time that you were being serious and were a complete muppet.

(March 23, 2016 at 7:42 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(March 23, 2016 at 6:57 am)KUSA Wrote: Trump will stop this madness. Believe me.

By wrapping himself in his personal, patented brand of stupidity so thick that his inner madness can hardly be seen through it.

You might be onto something there. Trump will just redefine madness to the point where blowing yourself up and a bunch of innocent civilians looks positively sane in comparison.

(March 23, 2016 at 11:03 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(March 23, 2016 at 2:25 pm)KUSA Wrote: Sometimes there is a blurred line between terrorism and collateral damage.

Yeah, I know.  When they murder civilians its terrorism and when we do it it is collateral damage.

Bullshit comes in many fragrances, K.

Well, while he is full of shit supporting that war monger, our evolutionary grouping does lead us to defend ourselves from threats. I think what he doesn't get is we are not saying tolerate religiously justified violence, but using fear to combat fear isn't a solution. One person's terrorist is another's "freedom fighter", the sane simply think all parties are stupid in not accepting we are still the same species.

KUSA reminds me of Uber Nationalist Frank Burns on MASH.