(April 15, 2016 at 5:53 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 5:46 pm)abaris Wrote: Yeah, the wiggly dance. Not answering their own questions. I can't quite say why there's that particular troll smell.

In both the threads it feels like baiting a trap. Not feeling like bait today. Igno is apparently not ready to spring the trap.

Look, I know everyone has a history with theists around here waiting in the bushes, ready to jump out and yell "gotcha!". I have no interest in springing a trap-argument. If it sets your mind at ease: I do not think any single argument exists which can demonstrate the existence of god, so there is no need to hold your breath waiting for me to spring one on you. I'm just asking questions... I thought that is what philosophers (and skeptics) did?

And no one is twisting your arms, forcing you to discuss anything with me. If you ever reach the point where you don't want to continue the discussion, all you have to do is say it and I will thank you for the time and thought you've given me.

What the hell is this, the "Interviewing Atheists Hour"?!?

Edited To Add: Look, I'm not trying to be snippy, but this open-ended questions and vague engagement tactic is a really, really irritating habit we see from a lot of self-righteous assholes, when they first come on the site.

(April 15, 2016 at 5:28 pm)Ignorant Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 5:22 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Yes. Everything. Self-evidently.

I'm not sure I share your meaning of self-evidence. What does that mean when you write it?

If everything necessarily exists and cannot not exist, how does this view account for quantum fluctuation (i.e. some particles begin and then cease to exist within a fraction of a second)? If a particle ceases to exist, it wasn't existing necessarily/of necessity, but rather it happened to exist. Necessity is not the same as determinism. Determinism uses the word "necessary" in the sense that, given a certain set of causes and conditions, certain and determined effects occur necessarily. Necessity in the sense I am proposing means that for a given necessary thing, its non-existence is not possible.

The non-existence of existence is not possible, by definition. And what does it matter if those particles pop into existence for only a small amount of time? The duration of their existence doesn't mean anything.

(April 15, 2016 at 6:12 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: What the hell is this, the "Interviewing Atheists Hour"?!?

Ah, I didn't even look at his self definition so far, since the behavior is irritating enough to give me pause. Not revelaing anything anything about their own ideas, just constantly questioning. If nothing else, it's in bad style.

(April 15, 2016 at 6:16 pm)abaris Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 6:12 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: What the hell is this, the "Interviewing Atheists Hour"?!?

Ah, I didn't even look at his self definition so far, since the behavior is irritating enough to give me pause. Not revelaing anything anything about their own ideas, just constantly questioning. If nothing else, it's in bad style.

Yep. The page flipped, so you might want to go back and see my "Edited To Add" amendment.

(April 15, 2016 at 6:17 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Yep. The page flipped, so you might want to go back and see my "Edited To Add" amendment.

I already read it before replying. The quoted part still seemed the most important to me.

(April 15, 2016 at 6:18 pm)abaris Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 6:17 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Yep. The page flipped, so you might want to go back and see my "Edited To Add" amendment.

I already read it before replying. The quoted part still seemed the most important to me.

Ah, I see, and I concur with your point, earlier. 

Ignorant, it's probably best if you confess (hehe- see what I did there?) your reason for being here, and try to be more up-front about why you're trying to interview us. If you're here to proselytize, you will find some serious blowback, since many if not most of us are ex-Christians and most likely already know more about your religion and scriptures than you do. If you're, say, a student at a Christian college doing a paper on "What Atheists Think", for instance, you'll likely get a heaping helping from us, provided you are open-minded enough to honestly listen and be respectful to our ideas (agreement is not necessary, of course).

Y'know what, I'm tired of thinking!

All these unanswered questions are too much for my poor little mind. I'll just believe that god did it all. That will save me having to think anymore.

And anyway, the bible is all we've got. We have no means of finding out anything else. If it's not in the bible, we're stuffed. Best let all those infections cut through us all, killing the babies along with the mass murderers. Lets go back to stoning gay people and damning people who have flat noses, and never eating shellfish even if we're starving to death.

Seems to make perfect sense.

This pattern of Igno's is similar to his/her Secular Humanist thread. He/her is right, I choose not to play.