(April 27, 2016 at 10:25 am)Yeauxleaux Wrote: I consider European Jews white, personally. "Jewish" is an ethnicity and a culture, not a race. I think you can have "Jewish ancestry" of course, since they have been historically isolated from other Europeans, but it's still white ancestry with a different name. A Jew can move through society as a white person very easily when they're not dressed traditionally.

To me saying "Jewish is a race" is like saying "Hispanic", "Irish" or "Italian" is a race. These are ethnicities or nationalities and cultures, not races.

There is some evidence that Jews may be a race.

(April 27, 2016 at 10:29 am)Bella Morte Wrote:

(April 27, 2016 at 10:25 am)Yeauxleaux Wrote: I consider European Jews white, personally. "Jewish" is an ethnicity and a culture, not a race. I think you can have "Jewish ancestry" of course, since they have been historically isolated from other Europeans, but it's still white ancestry with a different name. A Jew can move through society as a white person very easily when they're not dressed traditionally.

To me saying "Jewish is a race" is like saying "Hispanic", "Irish" or "Italian" is a race. These are ethnicities or nationalities and cultures, not races.

There is some evidence that Jews may be a race.

There's genetic evidence in some groups that they have been seperated for some generations from other Europeans, which would make them as genetically distinct from other Europeans as something like Swedish people are from French people. They still look European and can neatly fit into being "white", maybe with some trace Middle Eastern ancestry, which some people consider white anyway. It's a tentative claim to say they're PoC. It's like me saying I'm suddenly "mixed race" because I'm like 1/8 North African, it's silly.

(April 27, 2016 at 10:33 am)Yeauxleaux Wrote:

(April 27, 2016 at 10:29 am)Bella Morte Wrote: There is some evidence that Jews may be a race.

There's genetic evidence in some groups that they have been seperated for some generations from other Europeans, which would make them as genetically distinct from other Europeans as something like Swedish people are from French people. They still look European and can neatly fit into being "white", maybe with some trace Middle Eastern ancestry, which some people consider white anyway. It's a tentative claim to say they're PoC. It's like me saying I'm suddenly "mixed race" because I'm like 1/8 North African, it's silly.

Fair enough, well it was just a few articles that I read. I don't particularly care that much about it anyway.

(April 23, 2016 at 2:25 am)Goosebump Wrote: So white racism, is what? Reminding white people how they have it better? Like the term "Honkey". Oh noes! A slur because what, white people have so many more opportunities and fewer pit falls?

Racism is a belief that certain races are superior to other races.

That's it.

That's all you need to be racist. You need to believe that.

It doesn't matter if you are a white guy believing that white people are superior to black people, or a black guy believing that black people are superior to white people.

If you believe that, you are racist.

What you seem to confuse racism with is institutional racism. Institutional racism is not a belief, it's a practice, by society / government that actively discriminates against certain races.

(April 27, 2016 at 10:25 am)Bella Morte Wrote:

(April 27, 2016 at 10:23 am)Losty Wrote: Lol yea...because I totally meant literal skin color whereas people with too many tattoos will cease to be white. Smarty pants.

Usually on charts where you fill in your race Asian is an option. But most Asians are still white and in America looking white is a big deal. As far as white privilege goes I would lump Asians in with whites and even probably light skinned Hispanics.

So really, you're just trying to make out that blacks are the victims? Thought so.

I don't know why you have your panties in a twist about this, but I am not talking about victims.

It is a fact that white people are less likely to be poor and poorly educated. It is a fact that white people are more likely to get hired for a job. Jewish people are definitely white. I'm pretty sure Asians should be lumped into that too. There are white hispanic people though not very common where I live. I have a friend who is a Mexican immigrant she's whiter than I am, blond hair, green eyes...it's rare but generally not relevant.

White privilege is a fact and it doesn't blame white people nor does it have any victims. It just is what it is.

White people in your country I am certain make up the most of the poor but what percentage of white people are poor compared to the percentage of brown people? And no it's not just about black people it's about all minorities with dark skin.

(April 23, 2016 at 2:25 am)Goosebump Wrote: I suppose you can be racist against white people. But speaking as an american (US) it's kinda silly imo. 63% of the country is white. It's the "default" position. As white you get all the standard benefits and considerations.

Whites make up about 59% of those incarcerated, vs 38% of blacks who are only 13% of the population.

10% of whites are in poverty vs 27% of blacks in the US.

41% of whites have college degrees vs 22% of blacks.

The "default" position seems pretty good. So white racism, is what? Reminding white people how they have it better? Like the term "Honkey". Oh noes! A slur because what, white people have so many more opportunities and fewer pit falls?

*all stats were just quick googles.

If you think racism against white people doesn't exist, you are mistaken. Racism is something that can be felt by someone of any race against any other race.

Institutional racism doesn't have as negative of an affect on white people. I do think that companies being legally required to hire a specific amount of minorities is racist and can be racist against white people but it doesn't hurt white people on any real level we are still more likely to get jobs.

Racism just plain racism like...a person thinking one race is superior to others or thinking one race is inferior to others on a personal level...that's just as hurtful to all races.

Lostykins, right again. No surprise there

I know I'm late to this party.  I'm a grammar Nazi, I admit it.  My Great-Aunt was an English Professor - I love proper English.
But I try to limit my corrections, I really do.

I suppose that correcting grammar could be racist. But I see terrible grammar and spelling online from folks of all races . . .   Correcting grammar, for me, is more elitist. I can see the temptation clearly - to correct grammar and spelling because I know better, because I'm better educated, so it makes ME feel better.  It can easily be snobbish.  So I limit my corrections to teaching situations - helping students write research papers, etc.

And . . . here, of course.  I must confess that I love to correct a preacher's grammar and spelling. I mean, they're here to try to convince us that they have the "truth", they are superior and we're deluded sinners.  Yep. Pointing out that they have the writing skills of a 3rd grader - - now, that's when it's FUN to be snobbish.    

I still don't understand how correcting grammar could be racist.

(April 27, 2016 at 3:18 pm)Losty Wrote: I still don't understand how correcting grammar could be racist.

I don't think it's inherently racist

I think it becomes problematic when people throw shade at African American Vernacular English, and then ignore all the white dialects of English that are equally as grammatically incorrect. It's not problematic if you're a grammar nazi with everyone. It's the double standard for black people.

Tbh I'd say it's more of a classism issue than a race issue.