Where are you (along with the others who gave you kudos on false historical data)?

Ironic..

So Atlas, we hand to wait 1400 years to get the correct interpretation of the verse about Allah's throne being on water? Even al-Saud's henchmen like Hamza Tzortis and Dawah Man are now saying don't use science to justify the Quran.

(April 28, 2016 at 5:48 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: So Atlas, we hand to wait 1400 years to get the correct interpretation of the verse about Allah's throne being on water? Even al-Saud's henchmen like Hamza Tzortis and Dawah Man are now saying don't use science to justify the Quran.

There is this verse:

(Sura 41 Verse 53 )   We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness

It's speaking in the future tense; signs would be "shown" to people until they make sure it is the truth.
When you think about Islam, forget about the typical stereotypical way of "Sunnie/ Shia" that caused Muslims to forget the Quran and worship "tribal figures" and "long-bearded scholars" -just like Christians & Jews-; there is a context.

The context is very simple: we are here, on this planet, just to get tested. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not about God; it's about "US". The law of that God, is what gives "life"; worshiping him is life. So 1400 years, seems a decent lifespan. It's not God's fault that people choose to believe dictators and bigots and keep themselves occupied in lust and desire to a blinding degree, until a disaster hits them or a world war wakes them up; the signs are there, but the 1400 years are not God's fault; it's humanities fault.

Yet, Abraham -peace be upon him- for example, cracked through and saw reality for what it is..we can see reality.
Tell humans to stop hating, killing, robbing & fucking for a moment, then I'm sure those signs will be more clear..I mean that literally. And cut the ego, too.

So basically, tell humans to stop being human? That's reasonable.

(March 24, 2016 at 10:26 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:

This is horribly hilarious.

(April 28, 2016 at 4:53 pm)Stimbo Wrote: So basically, tell humans to stop being human? That's reasonable.

There is "better" fate, a better "creature" inside each and every one of us. Attributes such as weakness (physical and mental), desire ( such as obsessive power/wealth seeking), these are embedded in us, but we can always combat them, thus we are not our desires and attributes, you are not what you look like, we can choose to discriminate against "different beings", but indeed we can also house the sick and adopt cats, despite looking different and still: acting different.

This verse:

(Sura 6 Verse 165 )   And it is He who has made you successors upon the earth and has raised some of you above others in degrees [of rank] that He may try you through what He has given you. Indeed, your Lord is swift in penalty; but indeed, He is Forgiving and Merciful.

It's an illusion after all..a virtual environment for a short period, to judge how we would fair against scum like Satan.
And eventually, you are what you did. You are nothing, but your deeds. Nothing remains but your deeds.

(April 29, 2016 at 3:07 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(April 28, 2016 at 4:53 pm)Stimbo Wrote: So basically, tell humans to stop being human? That's reasonable.

There is "better" fate, a better "creature" inside each and every one of us. Attributes such as weakness (physical and mental), desire ( such as obsessive power/wealth seeking), these are embedded in us, but we can always combat them, thus we are not our desires and attributes, you are not what you look like, we can choose to discriminate against "different beings", but indeed we can also house the sick and adopt cats, despite looking different and still: acting different.

This verse:

(Sura 6 Verse 165 )   And it is He who has made you successors upon the earth and has raised some of you above others in degrees [of rank] that He may try you through what He has given you. Indeed, your Lord is swift in penalty; but indeed, He is Forgiving and Merciful.

It's an illusion after all..a virtual environment for a short period, to judge how we would fair against scum like Satan.
And eventually, you are what you did. You are nothing, but your deeds. Nothing remains but your deeds.

Yeah, the obsessive desire to live eternally is embedded in some of us too, so lets trample over the ones who are not worthy of this eternal bliss, and impose our stupid idea of how to conduct ourselves on them, it's for their own good.

(April 29, 2016 at 3:20 am)Expired Wrote: Yeah, the obsessive desire to live eternally is embedded in some of us too, so lets trample over the ones who are not worthy of this eternal bliss, and impose our stupid idea of how to conduct ourselves on them, it's for their own good.

Actually, things should be totally on the opposite; one should not desire an eternal life "here" on earth; but in a different place in a different time under different standards: it might be desired.

For this life, you should not fear death, rather, you should "know and understand" that you will die at some moment in the future; and focus your whole energy not to enter hell, and go to the other alternative: that is heaven which rivers flow beneath it, and we live in it as immortal beings. Wishing "immortality" in this life, is a terrible wish, actually this wish is criticized in the Quran:

( Sura 2 Verse 96 )   And you will surely find them the most greedy of people for life - [even] more than those who associate others with Allah. One of them wishes that he could be granted life a thousand years, but it would not remove him in the least from the [coming] punishment that he should be granted life. And Allah is Seeing of what they do.

And this life is defined to be:

( Sura 75 Verse 20 )   Know that the life of this world is but amusement and diversion and adornment and boasting to one another and competition in increase of wealth and children - like the example of a rain whose [resulting] plant growth pleases the tillers; then it dries and you see it turned yellow; then it becomes [scattered] debris. And in the Hereafter is severe punishment and forgiveness from Allah and approval. And what is the worldly life except the enjoyment of delusion.

The most beautiful words  I ever read..The most honest description I ever read for this life..
If you wish to live this life forever, then I have serious doubts about your brain functionality, and I can totally say that you either love how it's not fair, or you simply missed so many of its faces.