Quote:Put it this way, most historians think that he probably only went around preaching for a year at most.

"Historians?"  Or theologians?  Please don't pretend there isn't a difference.

(April 30, 2016 at 12:51 am)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Put it this way, most historians think that he probably only went around preaching for a year at most.

"Historians?"  Or theologians?  Please don't pretend there isn't a difference.

....what?

(April 30, 2016 at 12:55 am)Mudhammam Wrote:

(April 30, 2016 at 12:51 am)Minimalist Wrote: "Historians?"  Or theologians?  Please don't pretend there isn't a difference.

....what?

Simple enough for me to understand.

(April 30, 2016 at 1:06 am)Maelstrom Wrote:

(April 30, 2016 at 12:55 am)Mudhammam Wrote: ....what?

Simple enough for me to understand.

I don't doubt that for a second.

No wonder you're so confused, if you're only spending a second of thought on it.

He's a believer.  They are totally into fairy tales and reality throws them for a fucking loop.

Like I said, the source of the Jesus myth does not matter at all. Jesus Christ of Nazareth did not exist in the same sense that Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter did not exist. Even if there was a guy named Jesus preaching at that time, he is not the Bible character. The Bible character is made up (pretty sure the magic powers would give that away), and that character is the only one that matters to the validity of the Christian faith. A mundane guy named Jesus does nothing for them, a bunch of guys for that character to be based on does nothing for them, and a previous iteration of that character with no Earthly component to his deeds CERTAINLY wouldn't help them, and those are by far the three most likely scenarios.


I'm sure that Rake and Nest-Egg here will chime in with "Oh, no main-stream historian thinks blah blah blah..." fine. Don't care. The magic zombie-Jew wasn't real, regardless of where the story actually came from.

The Bible says that the Jesus story is BS.

1 Corinthians 15:13-16 (NCV) = "13 If no one is ever raised from the dead, then Christ has not been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is worth nothing, and your faith is worth nothing. 15 And also, we are guilty of lying about God, because we testified of him that he raised Christ from the dead. But if people are not raised from the dead, then God never raised Christ. 16 If the dead are not raised, Christ has not been raised either."

So, how many of you have personally witnessed really dead people returning to life? They've made countless movies about zombies but they aren't based on reality. If you are a rational educated adult you should be able to distinguish BS from reality. The Jesus story is pure BS. The story itself says that it's BS. Go down to the nearest cemetery and see how many corpses return to life. If corpses start popping out of the ground and start talking to you then the Jesus story is true. But you will be a corpse yourself and dust before that happens.

(April 30, 2016 at 2:26 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Like I said, the source of the Jesus myth does not matter at all. Jesus Christ of Nazareth did not exist in the same sense that Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter did not exist. Even if there was a guy named Jesus preaching at that time, he is not the Bible character. The Bible character is made up (pretty sure the magic powers would give that away), and that character is the only one that matters to the validity of the Christian faith. A mundane guy named Jesus does nothing for them, a bunch of guys for that character to be based on does nothing for them, and a previous iteration of that character with no Earthly component to his deeds CERTAINLY wouldn't help them, and those are by far the three most likely scenarios.


I'm sure that Rake and Nest-Egg here will chime in with "Oh, no main-stream historian thinks blah blah blah..." fine. Don't care. The magic zombie-Jew wasn't real, regardless of where the story actually came from.

True, and trivial. Glad you're catching on that everybody in history is written into books from the standpoint of their authors.

(April 30, 2016 at 2:15 am)Minimalist Wrote: He's a believer.  They are totally into fairy tales and reality throws them for a fucking loop.

Rather, I'm a believer in the same sense that Min is a historian... Or a logical person... Or a person who pretends to care about history from a logical point of view.