(May 5, 2016 at 9:23 am)abaris Wrote: Yeah, Benghazi. That's a biggy for every credulous idiot on the extreme right.

I expected nothing less. Sometimes your smileys actually backfire like a nuclear device. Not that they wouldn't always go up in your face. The only question is the impact radius.

Hey smart guy, Benghazi was an example of her full capability on foreign policy, her methods of dealing with terrorists, and how she handles failure.

She chose to ignore several hundred emails from the ambassador requesting more troops to stabilize radical Islamist up rising because it was her policy to condemn the usage of that term. She would not even offer support or give direction to the ambassador she simply Ignored him completely That's because his problem directly conflicted with her political idealism concerning islam. Meaning she did not want to look at facts. she wanted to pretend that the world worked in the way she wants it to work. This offer no flexibility in her ability to make policy for this country. If something unexpected happens her track record demonstrates that she ignores it and pretend it has not just happened rather than confronting and dealing with the issue.

This leads us to why she will be weak dealing with terrorists. In that she refuses to identify Jihadists with Islam. Which mean she does not understand how the religion works or she is not willing to alienate the people of that religion as an attack on the Jihadists is an attack on all Sunni Muslims. (90% of all muslims) I personally do not know what is worse. the idea she is too stupid to see how Jihad and 'non radical muslims' are linked or that her political agenda knwingly puts people's lives at risk, just so she can up hold and maintain a utopic idealism. We need a president that will shape things for the future by directly addressing how the world is now, not someone who want to pretend she already lives in that society, and will not deal with what is going on now.

Finally we come to how she deals with failure. Did you know She blamed this youtuber for insighting the riot at the US embassy in Benghazi? Do you know that guy went to jail for making a you tube video? Do you know all of this was on her say so? Did you know she has emails on her personal server as well as texts to her daughter and Benghazi officials that admit to her part in all of this, but at the same time she told the American people a completely different story, which circumvented a citizens 2nd amendment rights and has him sitting in jail for her screw up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xitCdlo9IlQ

https://www.gop.com/clinton-was-first-of...ube-video/

The fact that she has yet to take any responsibility (meaning accept the full weight of blame and any repercussions the law allows) for her personal server usage with government/official business nor with bengazi makes her a bad leader period.

She show a recklessness and total abandon for our structured system of government, which to me is the core value of a loose canon. What happens when/if this lunatic gets real power? She needs to be sent to prison for her actions not to the highest office in the land

Ref. Post #211: That's the only rational post you have ever made. Good job.

To be fair neither Hillary or Trump really gives an honest shit about your people or their betterment. Both are representatives of different businesses. If any one of them gets power then all the better for the businesses that backed them up. They will probably do some sly scam and score some money while they're at it.

Don't deny it Americans, the whole "we care about the people and we'll do this and this" is simply a facade to get votes or more like a trade off - You vote for me and help my business,the businesses that back me up and help me score some money in the process I'll do this and this for you which probably is a very insignificant tradeoff for them considering the money they will score and help others score.

Which is why I believe it's foolish to vote for a candidate taking their personality into account. Don't hate me, listen to what I'm saying rationally and maybe you might find some sense in it. Who cares if Hillary is incapable of holding responsibility or incapable deal stressful situations (according to what Drich said)? Who cares if Trump is a racist, sexist lying loose cannon?
The fact of the matter is they are not so desperately and passionately fighting for the position of President to serve as a public servant for their people, to improve their lives. They're doing it because doing so is ultimately beneficial to THEM and the businesses that fund them. They want to make money for themselves.

It's not like the old days when politicians had different views of what is beneficial for their country,politicians used to have different views on how they think their country should progress, some citizens believed that a certain view like conservatism would benefit the country more and others held other views, the people with the majority selected their representative, I don't have to explain this to you - you already know this.

The point is this is not how the game is played now. It's all a game of getting cash,people are manipulated to think that the election is about them all the while it is all about business.

See, they are playing the game, the politicians, the businesses, the government - they're all playing the game but the American people aren't. Your political system supports businesses not betterment of their people,that only comes second.

The way I see it, you people should start playing the game too. I don't think it's very smart to vote based on the personality of candidates, their personalities doesn't matter in the long run because essentially Hillary is putting the facade of being PC to get votes and Trump is acting like an ass because he believes that connects more with the traditional Americans as a sign of a "strong leader" - this isn't their real personality,it's a facade they put on to get votes, if you don't believe that then you've lost the game already. So what does matter? I'd wager businesses matter.

If it were up to me, I'd look into the businesses that backs up each of the candidate. When you vote for a candidate you're essentially voting for the businesses that back the candidate as well. So do some research as to what businesses and companies back up each candidate and vote accordingly.

How I look at it Trump gives support to coal workers, yes? Hillary Clinton according to what I've heard is pro business. When you look at it from the most top layer Trump is dumb for supporting a dying technology but so is spending money to support the have not's. Have not's are dead weight, doesn't mean you get rid of them, you know why? Because tomorrow you could be one of them.

In the end, I guess what I'm saying is don't vote according to the personality of these candidates because the personality they put up is a facade to get votes. If you want to know their true personality look into the type of businesses they support and the businesses that support them. When you vote for a candidate you are also voting for these businesses that they support and the businesses that support them.
That's all I have to say, I know I'm not well versed in American politics but seeing how America was always a corporate nation I think people should give their votes accordingly. Which business is more profitable to you as people of this country ? Vote for the candidate that is supported by this type of business.
Thank you for reading.

Tl;dl
Read the damn post you lazy slacker.

(May 5, 2016 at 1:22 pm)pool the great Wrote: To be fair neither Hillary or Trump really gives an honest shit about your people or their betterment. Both are representatives of different businesses. If any one of them gets power then all the better for the businesses that backed them up. They will probably do some sly scam and score some money while they're at it.

The one and only, but crucial difference, less primitive, less exclusive, less likely to start another war just on a whim. That's Hilary. In short, business as usual, whereas Trump is an unknown quantity. Given the people he surrounded himself with as "advisors", that unknown quantity looks pretty bleak, to say the least.

(May 5, 2016 at 9:23 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 30, 2016 at 9:30 pm)Jenny A Wrote: You think Trump has a shot at New York.  That's silly. It isn't a swing state. It's blue as blue can be.  That Trump overwhelming took the very few republicans in it means nothing. The vast majority of its voters are democrat and will vote that way.  Clinton cleaned up there.  Iowa,  Ohio, Virginia,  Pennsylvania  (perhaps), New Hampshire (perhaps) might go red but not all of them will.   That's not enough.   And Trump might actually make red as red as red can be Utah vote democrat. They really don't like him there.   For a republican that kind of dislike in Utah is hard to achieve.

You are right that state polls not national ones matter. But Trump fares worse with the electorial  college than nationally.  He needs Florida and he's already lost it.  He's Goldwater all over again.

There is one national demographic that does matter, women. We, and I do mean we, don't just not like him, it's visceral.  I don't like H Clinton but to avoid Trump, I'll vote for her. And there are more female than male voters.

when did Trump lose Florida? All I see on the news is how Trump has pushed recorded turnouts in Fl, the Governor is on the short list to be VP, more republicans turned out to vote for trump than the dems that voted for Obama in the general election.

He's pretty much already lost it to Clinton. Latest poll shows her up 13 points there climbing from 8 points last month. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...-5635.html

Vote for Drumpf.... Help Jesus Cum!

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/christia...pocalypse/

Quote:Christians can’t wait for God to punish ‘wicked’ America with Trump–and usher in the Apocalypse

Quote:Christian conservatives have agitated for decades for the election of a “Godly” man who will help to reform America and bring it in line with Christian values. No one sees Donald Trump as that man. But, Trump’s “immorality” is not why Christians should vote for Trump. They should vote for Trump because he’s going to bring Christ back to earth a lot faster than he is currently on track to get here.

Frankly, I do not know much about Trump. He has been successful in real estate development. Okay. I hear he is a tough and expert negotiator. I have no reason to doubt it. He hosted a popular reality tv show. Never watched it, but I don't know why having a successful television career would disqualify anyone from public office. What I do know is that the more his opponents accuse him of racism, hate, and sexism, the more appealing Trump becomes. If some people truly do not want Trump to become more popular, his opponents better lay-off the slurs.

(May 5, 2016 at 3:27 pm)Jenny A Wrote: He's pretty much already lost it to Clinton.  Latest poll shows her up 13 points there climbing from 8 points last month.

Reagan was polling way behind Carter at this same point during that election yet Reagan won by a landslide. Polls don't matter right now.

You are conveniently forgetting that John Anderson was also in the race and when he crapped out most of his support went to Reagan.

Once Anderson declared he was running he siphoned about 20% of Carter's votes and Carter remained in the low 40% range the rest of the way.

(May 5, 2016 at 3:27 pm)Jenny A Wrote: He's pretty much already lost it to Clinton.  Latest poll shows her up 13 points there climbing from 8 points last month.

I certainly don't subscribe to everything Kyle on Secular Talk says, but these days he issued a warning against not taking Trump seriously. Based on the fact that Hilary isn't the most charismatic candidate when it comes to liberal and independent voters. So they just might stay at home, given the two choices between the plague and he cholera. Radicals are far more likely to vote, since they want to see their agenda come to fruition.

So I wouldn't trust the polls. It all depends on how far Hilary can motivate the anti Trump crowd to actually move their butts to the voting booth.