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Crossless2.0 · May 17, 2016 at 11:55 am

There's an entire thread's worth of examples for anyone who has the stomach to wade through it.

~~Huggy Bear~~ · May 17, 2016 at 12:45 pm

Or you can just save everyone time and just post ONE example, no need for a whole threads worth...

Jehanne · May 17, 2016 at 7:08 pm

(May 17, 2016 at 11:49 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Then It shouldn't be all that hard for you to find an example to post...

How is "god" different than the FSM? Or, is the FSM "god"?

~~Huggy Bear~~ · (This post was last modified: May 18, 2016 at 8:13 am by Huggy Bear.)

(May 17, 2016 at 7:08 pm)Jehanne Wrote: How is "god" different than the FSM? Or, is the FSM "god"?

For one, Jesus stated that the same works that he did, his followers would be able to do, No other religion makes that claim. All you need to do is find someone with enough faith to make it manifest.

dyresand · May 18, 2016 at 8:22 am

(May 18, 2016 at 8:12 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(May 17, 2016 at 7:08 pm)Jehanne Wrote: How is "god" different than the FSM? Or, is the FSM "god"?

For one, Jesus stated that the same works that he did, his followers would be able to do, No other religion makes that claim. All you need to do is find someone with enough faith to make it manifest.

Except you know... there is no evidence of that happening also no historical evidence for the guys existence or family or anything the bible claims.
So you might as well throw jesus in the same bin as FSM along with god.

Jehanne · May 18, 2016 at 8:25 am

(May 18, 2016 at 8:12 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(May 17, 2016 at 7:08 pm)Jehanne Wrote: How is "god" different than the FSM? Or, is the FSM "god"?

For one, Jesus stated that the same works that he did, his followers would be able to do, No other religion makes that claim. All you need to do is find someone with enough faith to make it manifest.

Those verses were not original to the ending of Mark; they were added later on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_16

**Mister Agenda** · May 18, 2016 at 9:26 am

Huggy74 Wrote:
Mister Agenda Wrote:So you ARE using 'timeless' as in 'unaffected by the passage of time' when everyone else is using in they physics sense of 'no time existing'. That explains a lot.

I see we're down to arguing semantics now...

You clearly stated that the words "timeless" and "eternal" contradict each other when they are actually synonymous.

Re-read my post. I was very clear about which sense of the word is a contradiction and which was not. By using the word as a synonym for 'eternal', you're having a completely different conversation from the rest of us. We're talking about William Lane Craig's interpretations and expansion on the Kalam Cosmological Argument. In that argument, 'timeless' is used in the sense of 'there being no time'. If there's no contradiction, then you're off topic.

We wouldn't need to be arguing semantics if you were using the term consistently with what's actually being discussed.

**Mister Agenda** · May 18, 2016 at 9:29 am

Huggy74 Wrote:
Jehanne Wrote:How is "god" different than the FSM? Or, is the FSM "god"?

For one, Jesus stated that the same works that he did, his followers would be able to do, No other religion makes that claim. All you need to do is find someone with enough faith to make it manifest.

If anyone 'had enough faith to make it manifest', they'd do their healings in hospitals instead of tent revivals.

FatAndFaithless · May 18, 2016 at 9:32 am

(May 18, 2016 at 9:29 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
Huggy74 Wrote:For one, Jesus stated that the same works that he did, his followers would be able to do, No other religion makes that claim. All you need to do is find someone with enough faith to make it manifest.

If anyone 'had enough faith to make it manifest', they'd do their healings in hospitals instead of tent revivals.

Or hey, how about a single documented case of an amputee regrowing a limb?

~~Huggy Bear~~ · (This post was last modified: May 18, 2016 at 9:41 am by Huggy Bear.)

(May 18, 2016 at 8:25 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(May 18, 2016 at 8:12 am)Huggy74 Wrote: For one, Jesus stated that the same works that he did, his followers would be able to do, No other religion makes that claim. All you need to do is find someone with enough faith to make it manifest.

Those verses were not original to the ending of Mark; they were added later on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_16

Actually the verse I referenced is found in John.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. - John 14:12

Also your link only states what "most scholars believe" not what they can prove.

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