Sae...not everyone has an environment that is looking to eat you. aka Alaska is a rather rare place where guns are of a necessity to survival.

Watched a doco on the Monster of Iliamna Lake Monster http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iliamna_Lake_Monster and was astounded by the necessity of firearms for the safety and survival of people there on it's shores. Grizzllies seems to be a huge issue come the Salmon Run.

Quote:You seem to fancy yourself as one of those T.V. kung-fu masters who take on a whole fuckin room of folks who come at you one at a time.

I don't. I guess martial arts is unheard of over there.
If you don't have weapons, you look to other methods of self defence. Isn't too hard to grasp.

Quote:Even without guns or knives a pack of no-gooders will pick up bats and crowbars to take your possessions and rape your woman.

A pack of bastards holding bats will be noticed and reported. We have a huge CCTV system here. If I was facing an army of them, then yeah I'm in some considerable trouble, but it never FUCKING HAPPENS!!!
No one is armed! Do I need to say it in German for you yanks? *Slaps forehead* Jeeze!
Arming yourself works over where you are, not arming yourself over here works here! Just because you think it's smart to arm yourself, doesn't mean I'm gonna follow ya with it.

Quote:If you truely believe you can go all Ninja and wipe the floor with all 6+ of them then good for you

Oh jeeze. Point out where I mentioned 6? One on one I stand a good chance, maybe even on two, criminals round here are quite cowardly. Never did I mention 6. Still, it doesn't happen. No one is armed.

Quote:Some of us are 50 year old, worked hard all their lives for what they have and, because of the hard back-breaking work, have bad backs and crickity knees.

Personal alarms? Use the public as your defence. Perhaps get yourself a dog, they help deter attackers.

Quote:It is a very real and present danger to stroll the street.

Well not here it isn't. Over where you are, yes arm yourself. But WE don't need to, nor want to.
You're brought up in a society that generally accepts carrying weapons around with you, it's the complete opposite here. If I went out with a knife, my family would frown at me for it, I'd end up behind bars and paying a huge fine afterwards. Thing is, I don't want to arm myself. Why the fuck should I?!

Quote:Sorry to pop your bubble ACE, but your Martial Arts wouldn't stand two seconds against my .45 Arts.

And you'll be behind bars for the rest of your days. We'll both lose.

Quote:And neither would that gang of knife-wielding punks out to take my possessions. I honestly don't believe you would stand very long against that same gang. Against one or two, maybe. Three or more. I highly doubt it. You'd be poked so full of holes that when they hooked up the I.V. you'd look like a lawn sprinkler.

Good thing no one is armed around here.
You've got to try and take yourself out of the armed society that you're in and in a society where there are no weapons. No weapons works well over here. Also yes I won't stand against your right to arm yourself, but over here it's different. Because no one wants that right.
If you can't understand that, then this debate isn't going to go anywhere.

Quote:you pack your fantasies.

Hands have become fantasies have they? How interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN7yn0XOSMQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr68Ix9nX...re=related

Quote:Let's see who'd last longest when faced with multiple armed attackers. If they have guns also,

You do realise that even if you were armed, you can still end up shot dead yourself right?
Also, last time...no one carries weapons over here, even criminals. Those that do have weapons, have to keep them well hidden. Police presence is quite strong.

Quote:I simply do not believe it does work.

Well it does.

Quote:My brain is an effective weapon, so are my appendages. A knife combined with these is far more effective though.

And if you lost your knife, even to your attacker? What then?

Quote:while you're reaching out for my knife hand you will be socked in the face and kneed in the groin.

Want to test this? Come over, you'll have a rubber knife to simulate a real one, and you try and use it on me. I don't need a knife to over power an attacker. And no dotard not a fucking army of them, knife or not, odds like that are quite slim.

Quote:but the knife is an added insurance of survival/fewer injuries.

That "insurance" can be used against you. It all depends who you are facing.

Quote:Lol... it's immature to want to have a weapon for added protection?

For some reason Americans think martial arts is just nothing more than something made up in a matrix film. Ever thought about wearing chain-mail? They stop knives pretty well. Nothing to say you can't wear bullet proof vests either. That's added protection isn't it?

Quote:Firstly because you are relying on something period... and secondly because hands are far less immediately threatening than hands + knife or hands + gun.

Firstly, I think only cowards carry weapons, because either they are afraid of getting into a fair fight and losing, or they know they're too weak to stand up in a straight fight with anyone. If you use a knife or gun on me, I'll be calling you coward, a yeller belly as you say. Too afraid to fight fair.

Quote:Because they don't wear gloves and hats and commit crimes in places where there could be hundreds of potential suspects

We have a new water spray system that covers criminals from head to toe, makes it easier to catch them. Not sure what it's called by my cousin has it, very hard to wash off. Better technology, the more we can prevent crime. Don't need weapons. Carrying weapons works over there, but over here, NOT carrying weapons also works. Two different methods, both work. One side prefers to carry weapons the other does not.

Quote:Wtf is a personal alarm? 0.o

Small but fucking loud.

Quote: i carry one so that I am entirely safe.

Weapons don't make you entirely safe. You can still be stabbed and shot. You're just giving yourself more favour in a fight.

Quote:Dotard..dont waste your time. As far as Ace is concerned you should be fined heavily and possibly jailed for a few years for carrying a lethal weapon. He doesnt consider it protection no matter how much you explain to him. He considers it trouble and illegal.

Why pick on me? Most over here disagree with carrying weapons! Americans sure do love to attack when others don't do things their way don't they? We don't arm ourselves, so what's your fucking problem?!

Quote:No, I'm not afraid of being attacked... i am preparred for it.

So am I, it doesn't matter what you take out with you. You can still die. No one in invincible! Weapons don't change that. They just give you a little extra favour in a fight, you can still end up dead.


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Americans ah?

Yes..I see ..how is that break on this subject of guns doing for you ACE?

Then STOP advocating bans on firearms in a thread where ARIZONA (tha't in the U.S.) is the place of contention.

That is what started this whole ruckus. You and your ilk began by stating no one should be allowed weapons.

And CCV cameras? I guess there is a cop stationed within 60 seconds of every camera? And, personally speaking, those who would give up liberty and privacy for the sake of security deserve neither.

Dotard, I have already once kindly remind the crew we were off topic, I myself being guilty, suggested another pre-existing topic to continue the discussion, but ACE told me he was giving it a break..which appeared to be for a few hours before he jumped back onto the discussion of NOT discussing Arizona gun laws.

Could someone PLEASE lock this topic with a suggestiong of moving it over to the "guns" poll in my signature, or some other established gun topic?

(April 14, 2011 at 7:33 am)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Yes..I see ..how is that break on this subject of guns doing for you ACE?

I thought it was over too, but it continued and I don't like backing down.

Quote:That is what started this whole ruckus. You and your ilk began by stating no one should be allowed weapons.

In this country. Since it works.
To be fair, it was for the most part, on topic. The discussion started with the point on Arizona and carrying weapons. The topic grew in size, but instead of just talking about Arizona, it went further.

Quote:And CCV cameras? I guess there is a cop stationed within 60 seconds of every camera

There are stations where cops are constantly watching. That was actually why they responded so quickly when a fight broke out in town, between too lads. One CCTV cam spotted them and within a couple of minutes, the cops were there to stop it. Sorry to hear you hate the system so much. I feel quite safe with them around, knowing a police officer is watching and ready to call in support.

Quote:And, personally speaking, those who would give up liberty and privacy for the sake of security deserve neither.

That is your opinion, and one I do not agree nor support.

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Feel free to lock the thread, that would bring an end to the debate.
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I'll agree to drop it if you will. Drop the debate, Saerules?

Ace Wrote:I'll agree to drop it if you will. Drop the debate, Saerules?

Haven't read it yet, so...

Sure I'll just pretend that it was all compliments about how much I love skittles and that anyone that doesn't love skittles should be arrested and then kneed in the groin until they develop a taste for skittles, and then deny them skittles because all skittles are mine and delicious and for me

(April 14, 2011 at 10:48 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:

Ace Wrote:I'll agree to drop it if you will. Drop the debate, Saerules?

Haven't read it yet, so...

Sure I'll just pretend that it was all compliments about how much I love skittles and that anyone that doesn't love skittles should be arrested and then kneed in the groin until they develop a taste for skittles, and then deny them skittles because all skittles are mine and delicious and for me

The fact the conversation goes from the serious debate we were having to the above comment so fast is why this forum fills me with both enjoyment and utter confusion in equal measure.

Skipper Wrote:The fact the conversation goes from the serious debate we were having to the above comment so fast is why this forum fills me with both enjoyment and utter confusion in equal measure.

All of my crazy is undiluted right now: I just woke up ^_^ And it isn't even noon yet 0.o

(April 14, 2011 at 10:59 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:

Skipper Wrote:The fact the conversation goes from the serious debate we were having to the above comment so fast is why this forum fills me with both enjoyment and utter confusion in equal measure.

All of my crazy is undiluted right now: I just woke up ^_^ And it isn't even noon yet 0.o

4:08pm over here. Already had three cups of coffee and gone through 2 porn mags. Not bad for a Thursday.