Atheistic idea grows independence, pride, pleasant lifestyle among ordinary citizens.

Theistic idea attempts to go in to the opposite direction of giving up your pride and pleasures for idealistic goals like heaven in afterlife. Gods idea acts like motivator or a glue for good deeds, which is GOOD, in my opinion.

And thats why this idea is hated by ordinary folks - it goes straight for the kill and undermines peoples own happines and labels it as an egoisitc sin and preaches a bitter utopian lifestyle as of extreme importance, because otherwise hell...

Atheists attempting to shut this idea by chopping off Gods idea from scientific point of view, but all Gods idea is bringing is bitter idealism and the strongest one because of hell and heavens idea.

Communists might survived much longer if there were preaching hell and haven idea in their utopia.

(May 22, 2016 at 1:03 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Atheistic idea grows independence, pride, pleasant lifestyle among ordinary citizens.

Theistic idea attempts to go in to the opposite direction

So - subservience, shame and misery? Yeah, sounds about right.

(May 22, 2016 at 1:03 am)purplepurpose Wrote: of giving up your pride and pleasures for idealistic goals like heaven in afterlife.

Or - in other words - giving up your property and rights for some magic beans and other empty promises.

(May 22, 2016 at 1:03 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Gods idea acts like motivator or a glue for good deeds, which is GOOD, in my opinion.

No, this "gods idea" acts as a brake on any change in society - regardless of whether it's a positive or a necessary one. It promotes servility and blind obedience to charlatans, who claim to speak for gods and wish their subjects to remain primitive and ignorant.

(May 22, 2016 at 1:03 am)purplepurpose Wrote: And thats why this idea is hated by ordinary folks - it goes straight for the kill and undermines peoples own happines and labels it as an egoisitc sin and preaches a bitter utopian lifestyle as of extreme importance, because otherwise hell...

Bullsh*t. "Ordinary folks" can't get enough of this "idea". Haven't you noticed, that the vast majority of humans are religious? So, who do you call "ordinary folks" - the minority of atheists? Lol...

(May 22, 2016 at 1:03 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Atheists attempting to shut this idea by chopping off Gods idea from scientific point of view, but all Gods idea is bringing is bitter idealism and the strongest one because of hell and heavens idea.

Communists might survived much longer if there were preaching hell and haven idea in their utopia.

Yeah -you don't know what you're talking about. Are you by any chance 15 years old? Because that would somewhat explain - if not entirely excuse - your complete lack of understanding of... pretty much everything, by the looks of it.

Nobody is "chopping off god", dumbass. There's simply no reason to include god in "scientific point of view" - because god either doesn't exist, or doesn't show himself in any reliable, observable manner. It's theism that glues god on top of observable reality -for no good reason. And if you suggest that it's necessary to make up monsters under our beds, in order to make people behave like nice little slaves, hoping for a reward after death - then you can go fornicate yourself. Billions of people lived and died so that we don't have to fellate tyrants, it's shameful to give that up for - literally - nothing.

Pay attention:

There is nothing wrong with "independence, pride and pleasant life-style among ordinary citizens". In fact - that's the ideal we've been aiming for, since forever.

I'm suspecting you're not for real.

If you are somehow for real, you've got not only the wrong end of the stick, but the wrong stick. From the wrong tree.

What im suggesting is that religion is disliked for preaching idealism/unbearable bitter stuff, BUT healthiest lifestyle. Idealism is perfect but unbearable. And thats what drives people crazy on both camps.

Atheists cannot dismiss those ideas as easily as unicorns and elfs. Theists often feel thats its their DUTY to strive towards Gods idealism for their own and common good.

Modern atheistic governments steal from their own citizens and opponent's countries. They go as far as risk ww3 for the profit. Theists at least fear hell and wish for heaven.

Again, on the off chance you're for real...

"Atheistic governments" are as bad as theocracies. I hope you're not conflating atheistic and secular, though. America, for example, has a secular government.

(May 22, 2016 at 2:41 am)robvalue Wrote: Again, on the off chance you're for real...

"Atheistic governments" are as bad as theocracies. I hope you're not conflating atheistic and secular, though. America, for example, has a secular government.

Power always corrupts. But still, I think Gods idealism is healthiest lifestyle and equally bitter. There are benefits of religion even if they are helishly expensive.

You have a way of not answering questions. So I don't think I'll bother asking anymore.

(May 22, 2016 at 3:32 am)robvalue Wrote: You have a way of not answering questions. So I don't think I'll bother asking anymore.

I don't believe in God and I don't care about him are almost the same thing.

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We cannot care about a fictional character. What part of that is so hard to understand? How much do you care about Lord Shiva?

As they have already pointed out to you, science deals in what is measurable and testable. That means it cannot test the supernatural unless/until it interacts with the material world in some way. If God is simply the Deist version, the Prime Mover, Creator, whatever, then science has nothing to say on it, and I don't see how it can. However, when you start to believe in miracles and other interventions in the natural world, such as for instance the alleged efficacy of prayer, then that can be measured and tested--- and it fails, every time.

You forget that a significant portion of the evolutionary biologists and other scientists of the world are Christians, and have no issues with the discoveries of science. These people, however, know enough to realize that things like the magical creation 6000 years ago, the global flood, etc, did not happen as claimed in the scriptures.

Atheists find none of the god-stories convincing. That's it. There's nothing beyond that. If you add on additional philosophies, such as Communism, you're no longer dealing with their atheism (even if the additional philosophy rejects the idea of the existence of gods) but their philosophy. Many atheists, you will find, have strongly Humanistic views/philosophy because their refusal to reject the findings of science leads them to reject many of the prejudices our culture instills in people, and believe in doing what is best for everyone, not just for themselves.

What you have done is set up a strawman of atheism, a fake and false equivalence, and kicked it down in front of us. Congratulations! Let us help you kick down the false version, and talk about what atheism really is and is not. Oh, wait, we already are... so try listening, this time. I know all of this has already been explained to you. So why didn't you listen?