Actually, I don't know why Europeans (and many others) have anything to say about our constitutional rights at all.
It sure must be nice to disparage people you've never met in a country you've never lived in for wanting to keep rights you've never had.

... and yet I'll bet all of them loved the latest Die Hard movie they watched with all their pals.
Reminds me of those arrogant christians saying, "we're right and you're wrong cause we say so."

Tell you what .... if you really hate us so much, do this:
Stop watching our movies, stop listening to our music, stop visiting our country ... and this is the biggest one of all .... Stop asking us for help when ever anything goes wrong.

Everybody hates the USA until an earthquake knocks down one of your citys.

(April 17, 2011 at 3:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: I think it's funny how the british think their country is so great and superior it make's them believe their better than everyone else in the world. If the queen of england was to tell somebody to roll over they would glady do it. If the president of the united states came and told somebody to roll over, we would say you first.

Nobody has said that at all. And the two British people that have argued against an armed population (me and Ace) have both agreed that it makes sense in your country to arm the population, when you consider the culture and history of your country and its relations with weapons. Don't try and turn this into a British bashing because we certainly haven't turned it into a piss take of America, we have been the ones who have seen both sides of the argument. Fucking idiot.

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(April 17, 2011 at 11:17 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: Actually, I don't know why Europeans (and many others) have anything to say about our constitutional rights at all.
It sure must be nice to disparage people you've never met in a country you've never lived in for wanting to keep rights you've never had.

... and yet I'll bet all of them loved the latest Die Hard movie they watched with all their pals.
Reminds me of those arrogant christians saying, "we're right and you're wrong cause we say so."

Tell you what .... if you really hate us so much, do this:
Stop watching our movies, stop listening to our music, stop visiting our country ... and this is the biggest one of all .... Stop asking us for help when ever anything goes wrong.

Everybody hates the USA until an earthquake knocks down one of your citys.

You as well.... NOBODY, has turned this into a U.S.A vs the world topic better than you just there. We have tried to see both sides of it, and me and Ace have both agreed (many times) that in your country arming the population may work, but we have only said that we both would rather our country stay the way it is with strict gun control and less gun related crimes. Stop being so fucking defensive. How about you stop using our language and don;t you dare watch Four weddings and a funeral!!! See I can be petty and nationalistic as well.

JohnDG Wrote:So don't give me anymore of your double standards and take care of yourselves, for what would the world be like without america?

Under German control

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Skipper Wrote:How about you stop using our language and don;t you dare watch Four weddings and a funeral!!! See I can be petty and nationalistic as well.

Only we speak American, and really don't care about whoever is getting married across the Atlantic. We're much too busy watching American television, see?

(April 18, 2011 at 12:20 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:

JohnDG Wrote:So don't give me anymore of your double standards and take care of yourselves, for what would the world be like without america?

Under German control

Yea of course, no doubt.

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(April 18, 2011 at 12:20 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:

JohnDG Wrote:So don't give me anymore of your double standards and take care of yourselves, for what would the world be like without america?

Under German control

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Skipper Wrote:How about you stop using our language and don;t you dare watch Four weddings and a funeral!!! See I can be petty and nationalistic as well.

Only we speak American, and really don't care about whoever is getting married across the Atlantic. We're much too busy watching American television, see?

I was only taking the piss, because he was saying we shouldn't watch American T.v because we don't agree with him. However, you do speak English. And I COULDN'T give two shits about the royal wedding myself.

(April 18, 2011 at 12:06 am)Skipper Wrote:

(April 17, 2011 at 3:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: I think it's funny how the british think their country is so great and superior it make's them believe their better than everyone else in the world. If the queen of england was to tell somebody to roll over they would glady do it. If the president of the united states came and told somebody to roll over, we would say you first.

Nobody has said that at all. And the two British people that have argued against an armed population (me and Ace) have both agreed that it makes sense in your country to arm the population, when you consider the culture and history of your country and its relations with weapons. Don't try and turn this into a British bashing because we certainly haven't turned it into a piss take of America, we have been the ones who have seen both sides of the argument. Fucking idiot.

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(April 17, 2011 at 11:17 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: Actually, I don't know why Europeans (and many others) have anything to say about our constitutional rights at all.
It sure must be nice to disparage people you've never met in a country you've never lived in for wanting to keep rights you've never had.

... and yet I'll bet all of them loved the latest Die Hard movie they watched with all their pals.
Reminds me of those arrogant christians saying, "we're right and you're wrong cause we say so."

Tell you what .... if you really hate us so much, do this:
Stop watching our movies, stop listening to our music, stop visiting our country ... and this is the biggest one of all .... Stop asking us for help when ever anything goes wrong.

Everybody hates the USA until an earthquake knocks down one of your citys.

You as well.... NOBODY, has turned this into a U.S.A vs the world topic better than you just there. We have tried to see both sides of it, and me and Ace have both agreed (many times) that in your country arming the population may work, but we have only said that we both would rather our country stay the way it is with strict gun control and less gun related crimes. Stop being so fucking defensive. How about you stop using our language and don;t you dare watch Four weddings and a funeral!!! See I can be petty and nationalistic as well.

That's hilarious ... telling me not to be so fucking defensive when you yourself are CLEARLY very damn defensive (petty and nationalistic). Awesome.

And by the way. I didn't mention you, Ace or Britain, or for that matter, any specific country. Also, if you read the entire thread you'll find that this turned into a US gun law battle some time ago. You will also notice that I was not the one calling anyone a fucking idiot ... that was you name calling. If anything, how I responded to verbal attacks made on MY country was far more civilized and polite than your rude reply.


(and by the way -- no straight male in the United States has ever WILLINGLY watched Four Weddings and a Funeral)

(April 18, 2011 at 12:30 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote:

(April 18, 2011 at 12:06 am)Skipper Wrote:

(April 17, 2011 at 3:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: I think it's funny how the british think their country is so great and superior it make's them believe their better than everyone else in the world. If the queen of england was to tell somebody to roll over they would glady do it. If the president of the united states came and told somebody to roll over, we would say you first.

Nobody has said that at all. And the two British people that have argued against an armed population (me and Ace) have both agreed that it makes sense in your country to arm the population, when you consider the culture and history of your country and its relations with weapons. Don't try and turn this into a British bashing because we certainly haven't turned it into a piss take of America, we have been the ones who have seen both sides of the argument. Fucking idiot.

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(April 17, 2011 at 11:17 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: Actually, I don't know why Europeans (and many others) have anything to say about our constitutional rights at all.
It sure must be nice to disparage people you've never met in a country you've never lived in for wanting to keep rights you've never had.

... and yet I'll bet all of them loved the latest Die Hard movie they watched with all their pals.
Reminds me of those arrogant christians saying, "we're right and you're wrong cause we say so."

Tell you what .... if you really hate us so much, do this:
Stop watching our movies, stop listening to our music, stop visiting our country ... and this is the biggest one of all .... Stop asking us for help when ever anything goes wrong.

Everybody hates the USA until an earthquake knocks down one of your citys.

You as well.... NOBODY, has turned this into a U.S.A vs the world topic better than you just there. We have tried to see both sides of it, and me and Ace have both agreed (many times) that in your country arming the population may work, but we have only said that we both would rather our country stay the way it is with strict gun control and less gun related crimes. Stop being so fucking defensive. How about you stop using our language and don;t you dare watch Four weddings and a funeral!!! See I can be petty and nationalistic as well.

That's hilarious ... telling me not to be so fucking defensive when you yourself are CLEARLY very damn defensive (petty and nationalistic). Awesome.

Point out where (any where in this thread) I was being either petty or nationalistic and I will admit it. Multiple times I have said I agree with why Americans should carry on being armed due to the laws, culture and history you have had. All I have said is why I prefer the laws and gun culture where I do live.

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(April 18, 2011 at 12:30 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote: (and by the way -- no straight male in the United States has ever WILLINGLY watched Four Weddings and a Funeral)

Prove it.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13110039

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Point out where (any where in this thread) I was being either petty or nationalistic and I will admit it. Multiple times I have said I agree with why Americans should carry on being armed due to the laws, culture and history you have had. All I have said is why I prefer the laws and gun culture where I do live.

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ok ...

(April 18, 2011 at 12:35 am)Skipper Wrote: ...Stop being so fucking defensive. How about you stop using our language and don;t you dare watch Four weddings and a funeral!!! See I can be petty and nationalistic as well.

You don't have to turn this into ... well, this. I never attacked you or your country. I simply said that if you don't live here your opinon doesn't count ---- much like mine wouldn't count if I insulted your country's practices.

Point out where (any where in this thread) I was being either petty or nationalistic and I will admit it. Multiple times I have said I agree with why Americans should carry on being armed due to the laws, culture and history you have had. All I have said is why I prefer the laws and gun culture where I do live.

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ok ...

(April 18, 2011 at 12:35 am)Skipper Wrote: ...Stop being so fucking defensive. How about you stop using our language and don;t you dare watch Four weddings and a funeral!!! See I can be petty and nationalistic as well.

Quote:You don't have to turn this into ... well, this. I never attacked you or your country. I simply said that if you don't live here your opinon doesn't count ---- much like mine wouldn't count if I insulted your countries practices.

Yea because if you don't live in a country, your opinion doesn't count. Same, as if you're not religious your opinion dosen't count aye?

Also, You're more than welcome to insult my countries practises because I believe in free speech ( ) and the ability to learn from other cultures.

(April 18, 2011 at 12:35 am)Skipper Wrote: ...Stop being so fucking defensive. How about you stop using our language and don;t you dare watch Four weddings and a funeral!!! See I can be petty and nationalistic as well.

Quote:You don't have to turn this into ... well, this. I never attacked you or your country. I simply said that if you don't live here your opinon doesn't count ---- much like mine wouldn't count if I insulted your countries practices.

Yea because if you don't live in a country, your opinion doesn't count. Same, as if you're not religious you're opinion dosen't count aye?

Also, You're more than welcome to insult my countries practises because I believe in free speech ( ) and the ability to learn from other cultures.

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Lets leave religion out for now ... isn't this topic convoluted enough?
You believe in free speech and yet you call people "fucking idiots" for defending rights that they don't want to lose. Hmmm. Like many people in my country, it sounds like you believe in your free speech, but not necessarily everybody elses.

(April 18, 2011 at 12:53 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote:

(April 18, 2011 at 12:35 am)Skipper Wrote: ...Stop being so fucking defensive. How about you stop using our language and don;t you dare watch Four weddings and a funeral!!! See I can be petty and nationalistic as well.

Quote:You don't have to turn this into ... well, this. I never attacked you or your country. I simply said that if you don't live here your opinon doesn't count ---- much like mine wouldn't count if I insulted your countries practices.

Yea because if you don't live in a country, your opinion doesn't count. Same, as if you're not religious you're opinion dosen't count aye?

Also, You're more than welcome to insult my countries practises because I believe in free speech ( ) and the ability to learn from other cultures.

Lets leave religion out for now ... isn't this topic convoluted enough?
You believe in free speech and yet you call people "fucking idiots" for defending rights that they don't want to lose. Hmmm. Like many people in my country, it sounds like you believe in your free speech, but not necessarily everybody elses.
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No, I believe in free speech, which I chose to use to voice my opinion on your countries gun laws. I never called anyone or their opinion stupid for their (often opposing) opinion, on gun culture, attitudes or laws. And I certainly never disagreed with your rights to own guns. I actually agreed. YOU were the one who told me my opinion didn't count just because it opposed yours.

Even while drunk, stoned, sleep deprived (British) and over worked I can tell which one of us seems more against freedom of speech.