God hates figs.

That's what the Westboro folks have wrong. Jesus said 

Quote:Mark 11:14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. 

And yet we in America continue to tolerate people eating figs, despite our Lord's clear command.

And so American soldiers die while fighting overseas as a direct result. Occam's Razor. It's the simplest explanation. Do I need to draw a map for you?

(June 3, 2016 at 11:50 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(June 3, 2016 at 11:06 am)Emjay Wrote:  

I imagine all the Christians in this thread got involved because the OP made an assertion about Christianity and about Christians. An assertion that we felt we should clarify, and explain what our views actually are. That is what explains our presence in this thread.  
 

We have assertions made about us in many more forums (churches, prayer meetings etc) than this little forum, are we as welcome to challenge their views as you are here?

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(June 3, 2016 at 11:52 am)ChadWooters Wrote:

(June 3, 2016 at 11:50 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: ...Unfortunately I fall short many times, especially as a cranky, sick pregnant woman being outnumbered on an atheist forum.

Congratulations!

Would you offer the same congratulations to an atheist challenging your view in your church?

(June 3, 2016 at 9:15 am)Drich Wrote:

(June 2, 2016 at 3:30 pm)Vincent Wrote: The way I interpret it is this: either Hell is a separation from god, destroying his omnipresence, OR god is present even in Hell. If the latter is the case, this means that God watches and observes the billions in Hell burning and crying and writhing in agony, without taking action to save them. Which by extension means that God is either a) not all-loving, as he will not save those experiencing eternal pain and suffering, or b) he cannot act, thus making him not all-powerful.

Or again, God is not Omni max, but Alpha and Omega as He Himself is recorded describing Himself as, and as such can do whatever he pleases and is not bound by the definations the omni max God is.

I take three omni-max pills a day, it's really good for my confidence and cures headaches.

I don't eat figs. Jesus would be proud of me.

(June 3, 2016 at 12:49 pm)madog Wrote: Would you offer the same congratulations to an atheist challenging your view in your church?

I offer congratulations to people that are my friends. A gentleman does not presume that strangers are always happy with their pregnancies.

(June 3, 2016 at 12:49 pm)madog Wrote:

(June 3, 2016 at 11:50 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I imagine all the Christians in this thread got involved because the OP made an assertion about Christianity and about Christians. An assertion that we felt we should clarify, and explain what our views actually are. That is what explains our presence in this thread.  
 

We have assertions made about us in many more forums (churches, prayer meetings etc) than this little forum, are we as welcome to challenge their views as you are here?

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(June 3, 2016 at 11:52 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Congratulations!

Would you offer the same congratulations to an atheist challenging your view in your church?

He was congratulating me on being pregnant. 

I've been on a couple theist forums. I can't speak for all of them, but the ones I participated in CAF, and Reasonable Faith, atheists are welcome so long as they are respectful. But the rule about being respectful applies to everyone. Also, I'm not "trying to challenge your views" at all. I don't care that you don't believe in God. I was merely clearing up the assertion about Christianity made in the OP, on the Christian subforum. I'm not sure what exactly your point is, unless you think I personally started a forum where atheists weren't allowed to talk, in which case you could rightfully call me a hypocrite for it.

(June 2, 2016 at 9:59 am)Drich Wrote: There are 18 verses we use to establish the doctrine of "Omnipresence."
http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Go...nipresence

Not one describes God outside of creation/what He has created. The 'paradox' you think you found in with the doctrine of an omni-max God, NOT the description of God as the bible describes Him.

You may not understand this but there is a vast difference between the God described by the bible, and the god who has been created by the religions of men.

Jesus peace be upon him is one big false God; creation and was created. You know, the sons of Israel were really that bad. They accused Marry with terrible things; they were sexist pricks and that's exactly why Marry gave birth to Jesus with no male spouse..

Ah, but Christians also followed the disgusting footsteps and ironically, asserted what the Jews said; I mean I was shocked when I knew about this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Joseph

I was really shocked. I never knew about St.Joseph; his story alone is an assertion to the Jewish story of why Jesus isn't a prophet; and that Marry peace be upon her fell in adultery.

Throwing rocks at peoples' houses when your own is made out of glass is just wrong. Jesus was born without a father (then where is the miracle if the story of Joseph was true?), I'd like to quote the Quran here:

( 16 )   And mention, [O Muhammad], in the Book [the story of] Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east.
( 17 )   And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel, and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.
( 18 )   She said, "Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing of Allah."
( 19 )   He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy."
( 20 )   She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?"
( 21 )   He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' "
( 22 )   So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place.
( 23 )   And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said, "Oh, I wish I had died before this and was in oblivion, forgotten."
( 24 )   But he called her from below her, "Do not grieve; your Lord has provided beneath you a stream.
( 25 )   And shake toward you the trunk of the palm tree; it will drop upon you ripe, fresh dates.
( 26 )   So eat and drink and be contented. And if you see from among humanity anyone, say, 'Indeed, I have vowed to the Most Merciful abstention, so I will not speak today to [any] man.' "

( 27 )   Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented.

( 28 )   O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."

( 29 )   So she pointed to him. They said, "How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?"

( 30 )   [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.

( 31 )   And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive

( 32 )   And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant.

( 33 )   And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."
( 34 )   That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.

The story is long. I know, but that is the real Jesus. That is the real tribal-sexist society of that time (which we all know); the woman is always a lying whore indeed; there "must be a saint Joseph" in the minds of the creeps of that time.

Anyhow, I actually agree with everything else you said: Gods created by humans (like Jesus) are a terrible thing. 

Divinity

Quote:The idea of an all loving god is incompatible with hell. That much should be obvious to anyone with half a brain. We'll get the bullshit of "God doesn't send you to hell, you send yourself there!" Which is bullshit, because God created hell in the first place, and set up all the rules himself so they can fuck off with that shit.

Yes ! spot on !!!

In Islam, there are terrible descriptions like this:

Sura 69
( 25 )   But as for he who is given his record in his left hand, he will say, "Oh, I wish I had not been given my record
( 26 )   And had not known what is my account.
( 27 )   I wish my death had been the decisive one.
( 28 )   My wealth has not availed me.
( 29 )   Gone from me is my authority."
( 30 )   [Allah will say], "Seize him and shackle him.
( 31 )   Then into Hellfire drive him.
( 32 )   Then into a chain whose length is seventy cubits insert him."
( 33 )   Indeed, he did not used to believe in Allah, the Most Great,
( 34 )   Nor did he encourage the feeding of the poor.
( 35 )   So there is not for him here this Day any devoted friend

Sura 40
( 10 )   Indeed, those who disbelieve will be addressed, "The hatred of Allah for you was [even] greater than your hatred of yourselves [this Day in Hell] when you were invited to faith, but you refused."

Sura 15
( 49 )   [O Muhammad], inform My servants that it is I who am the Forgiving, the Merciful.
( 50 )   And that it is My punishment which is the painful 

No..God do hates; hates to the digree of burning us for a long long time, inserting chains into us, in a hellfire that is a firey bed from above  and below, we'll hate ourselves if we go there, but this is what God (the mercifule, though that who punishes the most severe punishment) would say

Sura 23
( 105 )   [It will be said]. "Were not My verses recited to you and you used to deny them?"
( 106 )   They will say, "Our Lord, our wretchedness overcame us, and we were a people astray.
( 107 )   Our Lord, remove us from it, and if we were to return [to evil], we would indeed be wrongdoers."
( 108 )   He will say, "rot in it and don't talk to me".
( 109 )   Indeed, there was a party of My servants who said, 'Our Lord, we have believed, so forgive us and have mercy upon us, and You are the best of the merciful.'
( 110 )   But you took them in mockery to the point that they made you forget My remembrance, and you used to laugh at them.
( 111 )   Indeed, I have rewarded them this Day for their patient endurance - that they are the attainers [of success]."
( 112 )   [Allah] will say, "How long did you remain on earth in number of years?"
( 113 )   They will say, "We remained a day or part of a day; ask those who enumerate."
( 114 )   He will say, "You stayed not but a little - if only you had known.
( 115 )   Then did you think that We created you uselessly and that to Us you would not be returned?"
( 116 )   So exalted is Allah, the Sovereign, the Truth; there is no deity except Him, Lord of the Noble Throne.
( 117 )   And whoever invokes besides Allah another deity for which he has no proof - then his account is only with his Lord. Indeed, the disbelievers will not succeed.
( 118 )   And, [O Muhammad], say, "My Lord, forgive and have mercy, and You are the best of the merciful.

What I like about it all, is that it's bald. It doesn't play games. Tries to be what it's not ..the honesty of my God; the truth of my lord, I shall fear him indeed.

(June 3, 2016 at 1:02 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(June 3, 2016 at 12:49 pm)madog Wrote: Would you offer the same congratulations to an atheist challenging your view in your church?

I offer congratulations to people that are my friends. A gentleman does not presume that strangers are always happy with their pregnancies.

Do you have no atheist friends? goes with the territory I suppose

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(June 3, 2016 at 1:04 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(June 3, 2016 at 12:49 pm)madog Wrote:  

He was congratulating me on being pregnant. 

I've been on a couple theist forums. I can't speak for all of them, but the ones I participated in CAF, and Reasonable Faith, atheists are welcome so long as they are respectful. But the rule about being respectful applies to everyone. Also, I'm not "trying to challenge your views" at all. I don't care that you don't believe in God. I was merely clearing up the assertion about Christianity made in the OP, on the Christian subforum. I'm not sure what exactly your point is, unless you think I personally started a forum where atheists weren't allowed to talk, in which case you could rightfully call me a hypocrite for it.

Sorry if that was picked up wrong ... and if that was his intention I also offer my congratulations

I am new to this forum and see a lot of "Christians" using it as a way to preach  .... I say preach because they always seem to revert to their own religious bias ..... understandable I suppose, but those "Christians" seem to forget that they have many other forums to discuss stuff .... note atheists don't have churches (fortunately) 

I guess I am a little suspicious of the "Christians" I have seen on this forum because they seem to be wanting to support their own beliefs and not wanting to actually become atheists .... I may be wrong.

(June 3, 2016 at 10:21 am)ChadWooters Wrote: I hear this assertion so often that I listed some of the evidence in my signature line. How do you test evidence? By comparing it with other evidence. Notice that I list, not one, but three pieces of evidence that independently verify the validity of the others. So don't continue to LIE and tell us there is no evidence.

There is NO evidence. Your sig is strictly opinion biased toward a belief in a god. It does not have any substance. I cannot prove god does not exist, but my attempt at disproving god has significantly more substance than that.

Sorry wrong post