(March 8, 2011 at 3:32 am)Adonikam Wrote: In my point of view , There is restriction in Islam on listening the music of any type like Guitar, Tabla and other instruments used for music . Islam do not allow the music . I think all people must preach their religion and follow according to their religion but reality can not be ignored that Islam is the Religion that is expending rapidly in the world . There is truth in Islam .

Actually most statistics point to atheism being the one that expands most rapidly in the world.

Hi

I don't know who this bilal is, but I should clarify....

Music like national anthems, relaxing jazz music that you can wind down with, ...etc. is not a big issue.

However, songs like Rihanna's Rude Boy, S&M,...etc. promoting the Hollywood destructive lifestyle should be avoided. Furthermore, music is like a drug and can cause addiction. There are people today who can't spend a week without rap/hip-hop/pop music.

There is saying, "the ear bone connects to the heart"....... this religion aim is to keep the heart pure and positive.

(February 16, 2011 at 12:32 pm)OnlyNatural Wrote: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/guitari...story.html

National Post Wrote:Bilal Philips was once a guitar god. Now he is trying to convince Muslims that God doesn't want them listening to guitars.

"A heart filled with music will not have room for God's words," he writes in his book Contemporary Issues, which also defends child marriages, wife beating, polygamy and killing apostates while calling homosexuality "evil and dangerous."

"For many, music becomes a source of solace and hope instead of God" he says. "When they are down, music brings them up temporarily, like a drug. The Koran, the words of God filled with guidance, should play that role."

"Some of the most corrupt elements of society are found among the musicians. The drugs, the deviations and homosexuality, these type of things and all the corruption that's there, people committing suicide," he says. "The reality is that it in fact does carry an evil, dark side which produces that type of corruption amongst themselves and, in the end, ends up corrupting elements of the society."

Quote:However, songs like Rihanna's Rude Boy, S&M,...etc. promoting the Hollywood destructive lifestyle should be avoided

Mohammad didn't like rap? How about that. We agree on something.

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Hi

I don't know who this bilal is, but I should clarify....
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Music like national anthems, relaxing jazz music that you can wind down with, ...etc. is not a big issue.
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not a big issue ... but still an issue for some of your people?
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There is saying, "the ear bone connects to the heart"....... this religion aim is to keep the heart pure and positive.
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What a joke. Simon & Garfunkle are REALLY going to corrupt the heart. Let me correct your phrase to read the truth .........
you wrote: this religion aim is to keep the heart pure and positive.
The truth would read: this religion's aim is to keep the mind from thinking.

You see, music has the ability to free your heart and set your mind ablaze with ideas. And to Islam and Christianity, unsanctioned ideas are a VERY bad thing. You can't have people thinking because they will realize how full of shit you are.

I think I'm gonna put some Zeppelin on.

(April 22, 2011 at 12:17 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote: What a joke. Simon & Garfunkle are REALLY going to corrupt the heart. Let me correct your phrase to read the truth .........
you wrote: this religion aim is to keep the heart pure and positive.
The truth would read: this religion's aim is to keep the mind from thinking.

You see, music has the ability to free your heart and set your mind ablaze with ideas. And to Islam and Christianity, unsanctioned ideas are a VERY bad thing. You can't have people thinking because they will realize how full of shit you are.

I think I'm gonna put some Zeppelin on.

Hi there, to make it simple

The average person, if they listen to the same message over and over again...there is a high chance it will cause bias in their future opinions.

Songs that have lyrics that advocate a dangerous lifestyle like Rihanna, Lady Gaga, ...etc. can corrupt people if they listen to these songs over and over again. Unfortunately these songs have such a catchy tune that it is hard to resist. It is the negative elements in these songs that are against the religion.

Now there is nothing wrong with classical music, like Beethoven, bach, ..etc. So long as these songs don't tamper your emotions. As I mentioned before, music is like a drug. Used in the wrong way can harm you. Since this is a religion to help make peace with yourself, there is a firm stance on what is right and what is wrong so your mind, body and soul is not harmed.

Anyone for DISTURBED? METALLICA? .... At least you can vent your frustrations with the authority .... Music is only a 'mind altering drug' for the stoopid, the same argument can be applied to religion, marketing ... anything really.

(April 22, 2011 at 12:35 am)ruhollah Wrote: The average person, if they listen to the same message over and over again...there is a high chance it will cause bias in their future opinions.

I have never heard a religious person say truer words. Cause that is EXACTLY what religion wants to do to a mind. Drill it into them over and over until it causes a bias in their future opinions. You hit the nail on the head brother. Only the bias that results from religion often ends up killing entire races of people.




The average person, if they listen to the same message over and over again...there is a high chance it will cause bias in their future opinions.

So very very true - and the Muslims and the Christians have it down to a science.

Hi there, as I mentioned in another thread:

The traditional way of teaching religion is incorrect. Drilling and forcing religious scripts into a youths mind and then claiming negative consequences if they don't follow, is not the way to go. People who teach like that must have had a painful life experience and want to vent their anger on the youth. This in turn kills the creativity and freedom of thought when these kids grow older. In fact, many of these kids grow up rote learning their way through school!

People should be free in making their own choices. This religion is all about making peace with yourself first and foremost so that you have better relationship with others and you avoid all the bad temptations in life. If you like to learn more about it, I suggest reading books or listening to some lectures or even attending a local mosque.

However, if you don't want to live this kind of a lifestyle you are also free to do so. Don't blame a religion just because it was taught to you in the wrong way. Now that you are older, you can make your own choices.

(April 22, 2011 at 12:52 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote:

(April 22, 2011 at 12:35 am)ruhollah Wrote: The average person, if they listen to the same message over and over again...there is a high chance it will cause bias in their future opinions.

I have never heard a religious person say truer words. Cause that is EXACTLY what religion wants to do to a mind. Drill it into them over and over until it causes a bias in their future opinions. You hit the nail on the head brother. Only the bias that results from religion often ends up killing entire races of people.




The average person, if they listen to the same message over and over again...there is a high chance it will cause bias in their future opinions.

So very very true - and the Muslims and the Christians have it down to a science.

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Hi there,

Notice how I mentioned the average person... I understand that for you heavy metal songs won't affect your mind. That's because you are probably an above-average person and know clearly what is right and what is wrong.

But there are many kids whose minds haven't matured and can think its cool to live based on what is delivered through the lyrics.

This religion simply claims that the disadvantages of listening to these songs outweighs the advantages. The goal of this religion is to keep you protected from negative influences.

(April 22, 2011 at 12:49 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Anyone for DISTURBED? METALLICA? .... At least you can vent your frustrations with the authority .... Music is only a 'mind altering drug' for the stoopid, the same argument can be applied to religion, marketing ... anything really.

(April 22, 2011 at 1:08 am)ruhollah Wrote: People should be free in making their own choices. Islam is all about making peace with yourself first and foremost so that you have better relationship with others and you avoid all the bad temptations in life.

But 'ruhollah' ALL religions make the same claim EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM

Yours is no different to anyone else's including the 'Moonies','Orange People' and any other half baked organisation that found that if they claimed religious status they didn't have to pay taxes and can fleece a gullible public. Yes 'people should be free to make their own choices.' ...

please define "People" at what age does a child become this mythical "People" that can make this life determining choice??

Isn't it just a tribal standard that you are advocating here?? I have known many children who have more maturity @ age 5 than "People" have at age 75...what of this situation??

Further, what make you so certain that YOU know what is right or wrong for a society (global or otherwise)?

Who died and made you god?

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(April 22, 2011 at 1:08 am)ruhollah Wrote: Hi there,

Notice how I mentioned the average person... I understand that for you heavy metal songs won't affect your mind. That's because you are probably an above-average person and know clearly what is right and what is wrong.

I disagree there. My parents raised me to THINK inspite of their beliefs. I am no more exceptional than your averge bloke/ female

(April 22, 2011 at 1:08 am)ruhollah Wrote: But there are many kids whose minds haven't matured and can think its cool to live based on what is delivered through the lyrics.

Until they find that the lyrics have no bearing on "Real Life" as opposed to "REEL life"

(April 22, 2011 at 1:08 am)ruhollah Wrote: This religion simply claims that the disadvantages of listening to these songs outweighs the advantages. The goal of this religion is to keep you protected from negative influences.

In otherwords ...prevents you from learning from your mistakes, wraps you up in mind altering dogma and strips you of your humanity so that you can become this wonderful slave and servant to the rich who are some how "more gifted, richer & genetically superior" to you??

(April 22, 2011 at 12:49 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Anyone for DISTURBED? METALLICA? .... At least you can vent your frustrations with the authority .... Music is only a 'mind altering drug' for the stoopid, the same argument can be applied to religion, marketing ... anything really.

ruhollah...it is all in the marketing... people will do as they wish, and buy what they wish based on marketting. Since when do we need 45 different versions of toothpaste? the same with tooth brushes? or toilet papier?

I am striving to point out that religion is a product that will sell itself to the highest bidder. At least prostitues are more honest...they have no delusions about what they are selling.

(April 22, 2011 at 1:08 am)ruhollah Wrote: However, if you don't want to live this kind of a lifestyle you are also free to do so. Don't blame a religion just because it was taught to you in the wrong way. Now that you are older, you can make your own choices.

Really?

Then why is Apostasy punishable by death in most muslim countries?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam