Muslim against music

[Rayaan]

KichigaiNaiko, Islam is not a polytheistic religion. Christianity and Judaism are not polytheistic religions either, but, I think that Islam especially emphasizes the Oneness of God and His indivisibility more so than the other two religions (but I could be wrong). That's what I was trying to say.

Reverendjeremiah, I have seen all those arguments before but this is not the right thread to discuss those topics. Also, it would be better to post the verses one at a time instead posting them all at once in a single post. I think each of them deserve their own separate thread. You quoted too many things at the same time and that's why I'm not willing to answer them anymore.

OnlyNatural, sorry for going off-topic. If you want to ask any other questions about music in Islam then feel free to do so.

[KichigaiNeko]

So just why are they dealing with angels and deamons the seraphim, cheradim, satan and the "dukes of hell" sorry pumpkin...that speaks of "polytheism" to me.

These lower minions are 'under' your deity but are still deified in their own right??

Gabriel, Michael...Ad nausium

[Skipper]

41:12 Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable.

So we can't travel into space then.........

Wait, what...........

Rayaan? Another "perfect" verse that could do with another "perfect" verse to correct it? Or just westerner infidels reading it wrong again?!

[reverendjeremiah]

Reverendjeremiah, I have seen all those arguments before but this is not the right thread to discuss those topics. Also, it would be better to post the verses one at a time instead posting them all at once in a single post. I think each of them deserve their own separate thread. You quoted too many things at the same time and that's why I'm not willing to answer them anymore.

I completely understand. The Topic is Muslims against music. I post qotes from the Islamic holy book and you claim I am going off topic and therefore you will not answer me. I understand, Islam is very difficult to defend unless you can control the way media is distributed...which is why Islamists are so against music in this thread. They wish to remove freedoms from people based on mythology that claims the sky is solid, the earth is flat, and that the sun sets in a mud puddle...

..oh yeah. We shouldnt have the right to listen to music because Muhammad can point his finger at the moon and say "bang!" and it splits in half.

41:12 Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable.

So we can't travel into space then.........

Wait, what...........

That is what they meant back then, but now that the western world (without the help of the barbaric Islamists, of course) has proven without a doubt the the sky is not solid, they are pissed even more. When we landed on the moon, the IMAMs were screaming that we were defiling their religion.

Now they will say "inviolable" means "being unable to desecrate it". Ask them what would account as being acceptable for desecrating those lamps screwed into the solid black sky and you will hear much more bull shit excuses for it..but apparently we desecrated the moon already. But the resident muslim is crying that we are talking out of topic..so..

<--- Rayaan

[Jaysyn]

I completely understand. The Topic is Muslims against music. I post qotes from the Islamic holy book and you claim I am going off topic and therefore you will not answer me.

He does that a lot, you'll get used to it eventually.

[Tearjerker]

KichigaiNaiko, Islam is not a polytheistic religion. Christianity and Judaism are not polytheistic religions either, but, I think that Islam especially emphasizes the Oneness of God and His indivisibility more so than the other two religions (but I could be wrong). That's what I was trying to say.

Reverendjeremiah, I have seen all those arguments before but this is not the right thread to discuss those topics. Also, it would be better to post the verses one at a time instead posting them all at once in a single post. I think each of them deserve their own separate thread. You quoted too many things at the same time and that's why I'm not willing to answer them anymore.

OnlyNatural, sorry for going off-topic. If you want to ask any other questions about music in Islam then feel free to do so.

Oh yeah? Muslims are polytheism just like the rest. You worship Mohammad as much as you worship God or in this case Allah. Remember the Danish cartoonist? And that's just Muslims in general, you should see Shiite Muslims, specially the Twelver Imamis, they actually have 14 people to hold in a very sacred regard before they get to God.

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And as a person who was born and raised in a Muslim country with Twelver Shia majority I can say the hardliners really are against music. And all foreign musics and genres are banned here, 10 to 15 years ago if they caught you with it you'd receive lashes.

Here the concept of cab is slightly different from everywhere else and the cab driver will pick up what ever passengers he can along his route. I was on route to work and a guy who's appearance was screaming his a hardcore muslim hoped in, the cab driver was listening to a music as broadcasting on national radio, he demanded that the driver turn it off otherwise he will get out, and the cab driver just turned off radio.

And don't even let me start on how they get angry when it comes to women singing.

I can't really understand why Muslims (radicals mostly) are against music. Although this is not an issue in many muslim countries.

This reminds me of Tenacious D's The Pick of Destiny, it goes like this when the father enters the scene:

You've disobeyed my orders son,
Why were you ever born?
Your brother's ten times better than you,
Jesus loves him more.
This music that you play for us
Comes from the depths of hell.
Rock and roll's the devil's work,
He wants you to rebel.
You'll become a mindless puppet;
Beelzebub will pull the strings!
Your heart will lose direction,
And chaos it will bring.
You'd better shut your mouth,
You better watch your tone!
You're grounded for a week with no telephone!
Don't let me hear you cry,
Don't let me hear you moan!
You gotta praise The Lord when you're in my home!

[Rayaan]

Rayaan? Another "perfect" verse that could do with another "perfect" verse to correct it? Or just westerner infidels reading it wrong again?!

Most likely the latter. See the comment below.

41:12 Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.
(Allah decked the "nether heavens with LAMPS" Yes..Stars are really very small burning lamps according to the great creator of the cosmos)

No, this is an imagery in the Quran. It is painting a picture of how the stars appear in a desert night sky (hence the word "lamps") and the point of the verse is to make us reflect on the beauty of Allah's creation (which are the stars). Also, the stars are "inviolable" because no one can do anything to disturb the beauty of the stars.

Oh yeah? Muslims are polytheism just like the rest. You worship Mohammad as much as you worship God or in this case Allah. Remember the Danish cartoonist? And that's just Muslims in general, you should see Shiite Muslims, specially the Twelver Imamis, they actually have 14 people to hold in a very sacred regard before they get to God.

1. We do not worship Muhammad even though we do respect him as a prophet.

2. The Shia Muslims do not worship anyone else besides Allah either. They only consider the 12 Imams to be in a high spiritual position (because of their outstanding virtues).

[Skipper]

"and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable"

Rayaan, you say it's the stars that are inviolable but that sentence says he renders the heaven inviolable. Not the stars/lamps whatever. Because it says "it" and not "them" it is clearly talking about the heaven being Inviolable. So the sky.

inviolable [ɪnˈvaɪələbəl]
adj
that must not or cannot be transgressed, dishonoured, or broken; to be kept sacred an inviolable oath

So the sky cannot be transgressed? We can't get into space?

[Tearjerker]

1. We do not worship Muhammad even though we do respect him as a prophet.

2. The Shia Muslims do not worship anyone else besides Allah either. They only consider the 12 Imams to be in a high spiritual position (because of their outstanding virtues).

Tell this to someone that doesn't know Muslims well. I did't say you literally worship Muhammad. All I'm saying is Islam is like the rest of religions. For instance you can make fun of Jesus in front of a Christian and live to see another day. But do that to Muhammad and you would wish to not live to see another day. Just remember the Salman Rushdie, he bailed out in time before get eaten. And where I live his book is still banned and if you get caught with it, you will suffer the fate that he escaped from it.

[KichigaiNeko]

I'm afraid he is right Rayaan...from an outsider's perspective muslims virtually 'worship' the ground muhammad walked on aka Mecca. And the edict to make the "pilgrimage" (sorry I don't know the correct term for it) to Mecca just reinforces it. It really isn't that different to xtians making the pilgrimage to Jerusalem's' "holy sites" or a jews pilgrimage to "the wailing wall"