Guns and alcohol do not mix. There's a good reason there are laws against bringing firearms to bars and clubs.

(June 22, 2016 at 4:11 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Guns and alcohol do not mix. There's a good reason there are laws against bringing firearms to bars and clubs.

Agreed.

I looked up the NE law. If it is posted on the building no handguns (handgun with circle/line) is it automatically illegal, carry permit or not.

(June 22, 2016 at 4:15 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I looked up the NE law. If it is posted on the building no handguns (handgun with circle/line) is it automatically illegal, carry permit or not.

And that's fair enough. If an establishment doesn't want guns on its premises, people obviously shouldn't bring them in and should be punished if they do.

(June 22, 2016 at 3:48 pm)paulpablo Wrote: If it's just a game I imagine that would increase the amount of friendly fire because there would be no consequences.

So add panic to the mix. You know, when you're afraid to be killed at any instance. You probably don't know, but I think you get the gist. Do you really think, you would keep your cool under those circumstances? Or make informed decisions, so as not to hurt anyone else? Because of consequences? Do you really believe, you would think of consequences under these circumstances or just be out to save your own hide at the moment?

The 3,1 percent is just number crunching. I invite you to try and walk in the shoes of people being in that kind of situation, and being honest about your possible reactions and judgment. Without any kind of combat training.

(June 22, 2016 at 4:33 pm)abaris Wrote:

(June 22, 2016 at 3:48 pm)paulpablo Wrote: If it's just a game I imagine that would increase the amount of friendly fire because there would be no consequences.

So add panic to the mix. You know, when you're afraid to be killed at any instance. You probably don't know, but I think you get the gist. Do you really think, you would keep your cool under those circumstances? Or make informed decisions, so as not to hurt anyone else? Because of consequences? Do you really believe, you would think of consequences under these circumstances or just be out to save your own hide at the moment?

The 3,1 percent is just number crunching. I invite you to try and walk in the shoes of people being in that kind of situation, and being honest about your possible reactions and judgment. Without any kind of combat training.

Under which circumstances?

(June 22, 2016 at 4:41 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Under which circumstances?

Lots of armed people firing at each other and you being in their midst. I thought I made that clear already. And that's just for starters. Usually visual and auditory conditions aren't the best either, since this usually happens in confined spaces with lots of people screaming and little lighting.

But pick your conditions and tell me honestly, if you think to be in total control of your senses and judgment. If your life is treatened to be snuffed out at any second.

(June 22, 2016 at 4:45 pm)abaris Wrote:

(June 22, 2016 at 4:41 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Under which circumstances?

Lots of armed people firing at each other and you being in their midst. I thought I made that clear already. And that's just for starters. Usually visual and auditory conditions aren't the best either, since this usually happens in confined spaces with lots of people screaming and little lighting.

But pick your conditions and tell me honestly, if you think to be in total control of your senses and judgment. If your life is treatened to be snuffed out at any second.

Ok, I'm in a night club in total darkness someone has just come around the corner behind my back and shot me in the head now I'm dead. I wouldn't be in control of my senses because I'd be dead

(June 22, 2016 at 4:50 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Ok, I'm in a night club in total darkness someone has just come around the corner behind my back and shot me in the head now I'm dead. I wouldn't be in control of my senses because I'd be dead

So, as they say, for some reason you don't want to answer the question. You don't want to try and imagine what if. So why, if you don't want to be honest with yourself and with us about your own thoughts on your capabilities in a chaotic life and death situation, should anything you said before matter?

You just dispute the numbers. Fine by me. But disputing official statistics should at least be backed by some personal experience or evaluation.

(June 22, 2016 at 4:54 pm)abaris Wrote:

(June 22, 2016 at 4:50 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Ok, I'm in a night club in total darkness someone has just come around the corner behind my back and shot me in the head now I'm dead. I wouldn't be in control of my senses because I'd be dead

So, as they say, for some reason you don't want to answer the question. You don't want to try and imagine what if. So why, if you don't want to be honest with yourself and with us about your own thoughts on your capabilities in a chaotic life and death situation, should anything you said before matter?

You just dispute the numbers. Fine by me. But disputing official statistics should at least be backed by some personal experience or evaluation.

No, I'm showing the official statistics. Exactly what they are and exactly what they say. Not disputing them.

And I did answer your question. You asked me to pick random conditions involving a shooter and tell you what happens to my senses. That's what I did