(May 26, 2016 at 2:07 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(May 23, 2016 at 7:59 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

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Nontheists persist in claiming that some hypothetical, unguided, mindless set of processes in the realm of the unknown or unknowable actually resulted in the origin of life. More 'Naturalism of the Gaps', more big, big universe stuff so there has to be something alive; no evidence but it just has to be; and think about all those meta-physical speculations of multiverses that  would negate the universe's fine-tuning parameters that we actually know exist.

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understood from what has been made, so there aren't any atheist. Why they say they are is that God places demands on  morality.

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Whew, thanks - I needed a good laugh.
That's got to be the most ridiculously illogical statement I've seen in ages.   

Been wondering about this: Does atheism cause dull-normal, or does dull-normal cause atheism?

(May 29, 2016 at 3:10 am)snowtracks Wrote:

(May 24, 2016 at 3:26 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Hey idiot, how the fuck can you see what is invisible? If it is invisible it cannot be seen, that's the whole point of calling something invisible.

'understood from what has been made'.

Your assertion still is baseless, idiot. I can use your argument to claim that robvalue created the universe with equal validity.

It's true. I was there to not see him do it.

(May 29, 2016 at 3:17 am)snowtracks Wrote:

(May 26, 2016 at 2:07 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Whew, thanks - I needed a good laugh.
That's got to be the most ridiculously illogical statement I've seen in ages.   

Been wondering about this: Does atheism cause dull-normal, or does dull-normal cause atheism?

That depends. When you say dull-normal, well, ..... what the fuck do you actually mean?

(May 29, 2016 at 9:47 am)LostLocke Wrote:

(May 29, 2016 at 3:17 am)snowtracks Wrote: Been wondering about this: Does atheism cause dull-normal, or does dull-normal cause atheism?

That depends. When you say dull-normal, well, ..... what the fuck do you actually mean?

You're asking someone who actually wrote this:  "God's invisible qualities of eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen".

The only recourse someone who could write that in seriousness has is insults.  Logic and hard science are just . . . well . . . too hard.

(April 27, 2016 at 2:40 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(April 26, 2016 at 10:05 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Actually, it's a large minority. To know those kinds of statistics, it handy to know eschatology - https://www.wordnik.com/words/eschatology
Creation is always linked to redemption. The reason that some don't take advantage of it is suppression of the truth. Why would anyone do that? To resist God's authority. Why would they want to do that? To maintain sinful beliefs and actions ... and they may not aware of it since 'the human heart is desperately wicked, who can know it' ?

"Christian eschatology is a major branch of study within Christian theology. Eschatology, from two Greek words meaning "last" (ἔσχατος) and "study" (-λογία), is the study of 'end things', whether the end of an individual life, the end of the age, the end of the world and the nature of the Kingdom of God."

In other words, the study of "end times" from a book of fables about a god that doesn't exist.  If you want us to believe in your fables and your imaginary friend, you have to do more than preach and yammer on and quote verses from that hideous evil collection of silly old fables called the wholly babble.  You have to do more than stick your nose in the air and tell people that you know the "truth" and that humans are desperately wicked.  (yawn)  Prove it. Facts, not fairy tales and threats.

"If you want us to believe..." - God made the Garden of Eden very good, not perfect. But made it even better by creating human beings a moral being with free will so it's up to each individual to believe or not in God's redemption offer, not His existence which is a given. Every human being has been created to give glory to God whether they accept or decline God's offer of redemption and will give glory whether they accept salvation or commit blasphemy (which is the unpardonable sin that is commit upon physical death) - to believe in God's existence is not the issue (everyone believes, some say they don't but they're just suppression the truth because they don't like the authority of God). God reveals Himself through His works (Creation), and His Word (Scripture). But Creation just by itself is enough to know God exist so not posting 'wanting' anyone to believe, they are already do.

Odin reveals himself through the fact that there are no more frost giants. You can't really argue with that. His existence is a given. Why do you keep denying him in favor of your hippie god?

(June 23, 2016 at 1:32 am)snowtracks Wrote:

(April 27, 2016 at 2:40 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

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"Christian eschatology is a major branch of study within Christian theology. Eschatology, from two Greek words meaning "last" (ἔσχατος) and "study" (-λογία), is the study of 'end things', whether the end of an individual life, the end of the age, the end of the world and the nature of the Kingdom of God."

In other words, the study of "end times" from a book of fables about a god that doesn't exist.  If you want us to believe in your fables and your imaginary friend, you have to do more than preach and yammer on and quote verses from that hideous evil collection of silly old fables called the wholly babble.  You have to do more than stick your nose in the air and tell people that you know the "truth" and that humans are desperately wicked.  (yawn)  Prove it. Facts, not fairy tales and threats.

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"If you want us to believe..." - God made the Garden of Eden very good, not perfect. But made it even better by creating human beings a moral being with free will so it's up to each individual to believe or not in God's redemption offer, not His existence which is a given. Every human being has been created to give glory to God whether they accept or decline God's offer of redemption and will give glory whether they accept salvation or commit blasphemy (which is the unpardonable sin that is commit upon physical death) - to believe in God's existence is not the issue (everyone believes, some say they don't but they're just suppression the truth because they don't like the authority of God). God reveals Himself through His works (Creation), and His Word (Scripture). But Creation just by itself is enough to know God exist so not posting 'wanting' anyone to believe, they are already do.

Wow.  You really believe this bullshit, don't you? Astounding. And I ask for facts, and you give me more yammering word-salad fantasy.  No, everyone does NOT believe. And there is no god apparent in nature, and most certainly not apparent in that evil book.

(June 23, 2016 at 1:32 am)snowtracks Wrote: Blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah.  Blah blah blah blah blah.

Uh huh.  Whatever you say, snowy.

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(June 23, 2016 at 2:50 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(June 23, 2016 at 1:32 am)snowtracks Wrote: "If you want us to believe..." - God made the Garden of Eden very good, not perfect. But made it even better by creating human beings a moral being with free will so it's up to each individual to believe or not in God's redemption offer, not His existence which is a given. Every human being has been created to give glory to God whether they accept or decline God's offer of redemption and will give glory whether they accept salvation or commit blasphemy (which is the unpardonable sin that is commit upon physical death) - to believe in God's existence is not the issue (everyone believes, some say they don't but they're just suppression the truth because they don't like the authority of God). God reveals Himself through His works (Creation), and His Word (Scripture). But Creation just by itself is enough to know God exist so not posting 'wanting' anyone to believe, they are already do.

Wow.  You really believe this bullshit, don't you? Astounding. And I ask for facts, and you give me more yammering word-salad fantasy.  No, everyone does NOT believe. And there is no god apparent in nature, and most certainly not apparent in that evil book.

Actually, the 66 books of the Old and New Testaments is God's revelation; it is thus verbally inspired and completely without error (historically, scientifically (not a science manual however and is worded to be relevant across millenniums), morally, and spiritually) in its original writings - along the way it recorded man's sin ('evil' is some sense is defined as 'sin'). Scripture reveals the being, nature, and character of God, the nature of God's creation, and especially His will for the salvation of human beings through Jesus Christ; after all, the primary purpose of the universe is redemption of which only humans can partake. The big bang event would be nothing but chaos and randomness if it didn't have a purpose. The four fundamental physical forces were perfectly integrated and the physical laws were pre-established to govern them.