I think he's willing to discount anyone's experiences if they don't support his conclusion. If only there was a phrase for that...

I've given up trying to reason with him, again. I can't believe I got sucked in. The OP question was surprisingly good, sadly it hasn't turned into anything and he's pretending he hadn't even asked us now.

(June 22, 2016 at 4:29 pm)robvalue Wrote: The OP question was surprisingly good,

I don't understand how was it good? Like I tried to explain with an earlier post it's like if he asked if Michio Kaku went to space and saw the world was flat or Sam Harris suddenly started materializing vibuti or Dawkins had a Marian vision... how is concept of afterlife and more valid then those?

It was the best question I've seen Rik ask. He also tried to consider another viewpoint, however fleetingly.

(June 22, 2016 at 4:23 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: So no matter how many people tell you that they had NDEs without any visions, that wouldn't change your mind about whether god exists. Is that what I'm looking at here, Rik? Because if so, you just answered your own question, didn't you?

For Christ'sake Pinky.  
Can't you stop being a clown for a while and start using your brain.      
Not all NDEs lead to God.
NDEs that lead to God serve the purpose to teach.
Why God would be interested to teach something to someone that is not prepared to learn
like most atheists and other people who wouldn't care less?

You never thought about that Pinky, did you?  

(June 22, 2016 at 11:40 am)Gemini Wrote:

(June 22, 2016 at 10:07 am)Little Rik Wrote: Point to me the contradiction if you think there is one.  

If you and I both agree that NDEs don't provide any objective evidence for an afterlife, then what am I wrong about?

I did asked you to show me the contradiction.
Where is it?
Can you also show me where I made any comment about NDEs that you relate to your point?

(June 22, 2016 at 11:34 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(June 22, 2016 at 10:33 am)Little Rik Wrote: Yoga is all about reducing the distance that separate you from God.
As a drop of water that after so much trouble finally end up in the ocean she become the ocean.
There is no more distinction.
Now the drop of water is the ocean as the individual by merging in the ocean of consciousness
become God.
This is what yoga is all about.

Sounds like a DMT trip.   You got anything more than your fee fees that you experience 'God' while meditating?

Quote:"The presence of what is awesome, what is wildly and passionately and luminously alive, filled every meridian in the vast continent of my expanded being, an intensity of joy and love and life coursing like heavenly ambrosia through my electrified veins. It was as though I myself was God, moving through liquid ecologies of God, the self-crystallizing emerald labyrinths of the tryptamine dream time, a marvelous infundibulum of plasmodial calisthenics. What occurred was a total meltdown of everything I know and hold dear. [It was an] utter surrender into the honeycomb love womb of the universe reborn, born anew in a thousand unendingly magnificent eyes, and Maya and Lila handheld spinning in sundream dandelions, my five senses spinning like a zillion gyroscopes round the centripetal amethyst of this all and everything.”

10 Mind-Blowing Experiences Shared by People Who Took the Psychedelic DMT

You surely can have an ejaculation by going with a prostitute but that is not the same as making love with
the one you love.
Not only that but the price that you will pay for screwing up your brain will be very very high and not worth the try.
Who said that the best things in life are free?

These guys all had an unstoppable NDE in the best possible way. Wonder if they found god? I like Gary Aldridge and Vaughn Bode.

http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most...hyxiation/

(June 23, 2016 at 10:39 am)Little Rik Wrote: You surely can have an ejaculation by going with a prostitute but that is not the same as making love with
the one you love.

The one prostitute you love?...

(June 23, 2016 at 10:39 am)Little Rik Wrote: Not only that but the price that you will pay for screwing up your brain will be very very high and not worth the try.

LOL... What happened, Rik? You seem awfully bitter about prostitution - did you catch syphilis, or something? Late stage syphilis sure would explain the brain damage. You should have used penicillin, instead of natural medicine...

(June 22, 2016 at 11:26 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(June 22, 2016 at 10:19 am)Little Rik Wrote: We know that humans got a mind but we can not see it touch it, smell it and so on.

This is just a bare assertion.  In cerebral achromotopsia (color blindness), some patients lose the ability to experience color.  It's not that they simply can't perceive color.  They can no longer remember scenes with color, and they can't imagine a colored object.  This is a result of trauma to the brain which has affected a component of consciousness.  It would seem that a component of consciousness is physically accessible after all.

That we haven't succeeded in localizing consciousness in the brain is not evidence that it cannot be localized and henceforth measured and manipulated as any tangible object can.  All you have is negative evidence and that makes it an argument from ignorance.

(June 22, 2016 at 10:19 am)Little Rik Wrote: Abstract things can not be perceived by physical senses that doesn't mean that they do not exist.

To perceive abstract things such as God we need something else and that is a developed consciousness.
All the rest will not work.

More bare assertions.  This again is not evidence that consciousness is intangible.

You never stop being silly, do you yog?  

It is obvious that a trauma in or to the brain will affect the consciousness.
When you have a car accident the car get smashed and you also will get hurt.
That is normal as it is normal that a trauma in the brain will affect your consciousness.

The consciousness is stuck inside a body and until this situation persist body-brain-consciousness
will have to experience each other in any situation.

Now you say ................ It would seem that a component of consciousness is physically accessible after all...........
Accessible by who?

All what external eyes can see is how the brain is affected but the brain is not you.
You can't get yog, do you?  

(June 23, 2016 at 10:03 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(June 22, 2016 at 4:23 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: So no matter how many people tell you that they had NDEs without any visions, that wouldn't change your mind about whether god exists. Is that what I'm looking at here, Rik? Because if so, you just answered your own question, didn't you?

For Christ'sake Pinky.  
Can't you stop being a clown for a while and start using your brain.      
Not all NDEs lead to God.
NDEs that lead to God serve the purpose to teach.
Why God would be interested to teach something to someone that is not prepared to learn
like most atheists and other people who wouldn't care less?

You never thought about that Pinky, did you?  

Nice try, but I've got you this time, you slippery little fuck.

Regardless of how you word it or what your reasoning is, you are asking us how many NDEs with visions we would have to hear about to change our minds about god while admitting that NO NUMBER of blank NDEs would convince you that there's no god. From what I can tell, you also won't accept any of the very good evidence which suggests that these visions are nothing more than dreams.

You are an ignorant hypocrite by your own admission, Rik. Wear your shame.