(June 24, 2016 at 9:38 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: ...vaping = freedom of speech?  Does Europe have a different definition of 'freedom of speech' than we do in America?

Banning the promotion (discussion) of vaping in all media .... any meetings etc etc .... is a ban of speech/expression, if America doesn't think that is a ban of free speech then America is wrong, however I have many american friends that are not so blinkered ...

(June 24, 2016 at 9:38 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: ...vaping = freedom of speech? Does Europe have a different definition of 'freedom of speech' than we do in America?

No, but if you want to mislead people, try to convince them it's a violation of some important right.

Quote:Banning the promotion (discussion) of vaping in all media .... any meetings etc etc .... is a ban of speech/expression, if America doesn't think that is a ban of free speech then America is wrong, however I have many american friends that are not so blinkered ...

Forgive me for being skeptical of your characterization of the issue. Do you have a link to the actual policy?

I googled for "discussing vaping banned" and all I found were articles discussing the banning of vaping (not the banning of discussions themselves). I too, would like a link to an actual piece of legislation.

(June 24, 2016 at 9:43 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

Quote:Banning the promotion (discussion) of vaping in all media .... any meetings etc etc .... is a ban of speech/expression, if America doesn't think that is a ban of free speech then America is wrong, however I have many american friends that are not so blinkered ...

Forgive me for being skeptical of your characterization of the issue.  Do you have a link to the actual policy?

This is the EU directive .... it was implemented in the UK on 20-05-2016 ... the Lords have put up a fatal and 3 regret motions that will be heard sometime in June I believe .....

"5. Member States shall ensure that:

(a) commercial communications in Information Society services, in the press and other printed publications, with the aim or direct or indirect effect of promoting electronic cigarettes and refill containers are prohibited, except for
publications that are intended exclusively for professionals in the trade of electronic cigarettes or refill containers
and for publications which are printed and published in third countries, where those publications are not principally
intended for the Union market;
(b) commercial communications on the radio, with the aim or direct or indirect effect of promoting electronic cigarettes
and refill containers, are prohibited;
29.4.2014 Official Journal of the European Union L 127/27 EN
© any form of public or private contribution to radio programmes with the aim or direct or indirect effect of promoting
electronic cigarettes and refill containers is prohibited;
(d) any form of public or private contribution to any event, activity or individual person with the aim or direct or
indirect effect of promoting electronic cigarettes and refill containers and involving or taking place in several Member
States or otherwise having cross-border effects is prohibited;
(e) audiovisual commercial communications to which Directive 2010/13/EU of the European Parliament and of the
Council (1) applies, are prohibited for electronic cigarettes and refill containers.
6. Article 18 of this Directive shall apply to cross-border distance sales of electronic cigarettes and refill containers."

(June 24, 2016 at 9:42 am)madog Wrote:

(June 24, 2016 at 9:38 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: ...vaping = freedom of speech?  Does Europe have a different definition of 'freedom of speech' than we do in America?

Banning the promotion (discussion) of vaping in all media .... any meetings etc etc .... is a ban of speech/expression, if America doesn't think that is a ban of free speech then America is wrong, however I have many american friends that are not so blinkered ...

Well then.... cigarette advertising was already banned, so.... oh no! Freedom of speech infringement!
E-cigs (and similar products) have just been included under the same umbrella as all other tobacco related products.
Stop selling your idiotic view on the subject.

Here, read it: http://ec.europa.eu/health/tobacco/docs/...440_en.pdf
(I didn't read it... I don't smoke... I don't care much... but you may look under page 25 of that PDF)

Compare that with page 9 item (82) of the regulation on other tobacco products:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexU...024:en:PDF

But..that's all about advertising and paying for shit, where's the "discussion of vaping is banned" thing? And the ads are still fine for those in the industry, as far as I can tell.

(June 24, 2016 at 9:51 am)madog Wrote: commercial communications

Two words, that's all I needed to know you were lying about this. That's basically banning advertising you dolt. Nothing about banning discussion of anything.

(June 24, 2016 at 9:52 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: But..that's all about advertising and paying for shit, where's the "discussion of vaping is banned" thing?

Doesn't exist. The only question cropping up from time to time is to ban it at certain locations.

I'm a heavy smoker, but the last thing I would base my political decisions on would be fags.

(June 24, 2016 at 9:53 am)Tiberius Wrote:

(June 24, 2016 at 9:51 am)madog Wrote: commercial communications

Two words, that's all I needed to know you were lying about this. That's basically banning advertising you dolt. Nothing about banning discussion of anything.

The amount of time you took to consider this shows your opinion was made prior to any evidence .... Advertising includes anything that promotes, but that would be lost on the likes of the Christian minded