(April 25, 2011 at 4:40 pm)theVOID Wrote: No, it's both morally wrong and repulsive.

And your poll question is rigged, I wouldn't say "I'd never kill anyone", I wouldn't kill someone simply for my own gain.

Suppose this man is not Rich, he's just marginally better off than you, he has a minimum wage job and a shitty apartment, but it's better than being a beggar, would you kill him then?

I could never kill an innocent man solely for his worldly assets. Thats sooo wrong. Who am I - Sae?

No, but I could possibly kill the man who had taken everything away from me. My family, my home, my life .... sure that may be possible.

I would not like this if its done to me, therefore i will not do it to someone else.

(April 25, 2011 at 4:40 pm)theVOID Wrote: No, it's both morally wrong and repulsive.

And your poll question is rigged, I wouldn't say "I'd never kill anyone", I wouldn't kill someone simply for my own gain.

Ditto.

Even if I could bring myself to do it, which is doubtful, I would probably go insane. It would be like the beginning Crime and Punishment or the end of The Tell-Tale Heart. I am mentally fragile enough that killing someone who had done nothing to deserve it would destroy me. Perhaps that is proof that even my morals are selfish.

Zenith Wrote:As about "money isn't everything", I guess that if we lived on the streets for years, sleeping while raining on us, being washed only by the rain, starving for days and eating garbage from the garbage containers, with dirty and with ragged dirty cloths that we've been wearing for years, we couldn't have spelled "money isn't everything".

Starving for days? Tut... take to a city or learn to hunt/gather. Eating garbage is not remotely intelligent when you could be resorting to crime or self-sufficiency.

Wearing the same ragged dirty clothes for years is also pathetic. Adapt or you are certain to fail. I have no respect for those street urchins who eat garbage and starve for days. There is food, that you don't take it when you need it is as sure a cowardice as any... and we feed you in prisons in america.

Cinjin Wrote:not a REMOTELY surprising answer for you sae

Thanks

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(April 25, 2011 at 6:16 pm)theVOID Wrote: * This is an automated message from VOID's moral compass - The rating of one 'Aerzia Saerules Arktuos' has been downgraded from B+ to D- *

How the hell did you rate me for B+ as it is? 0.o My morals shift according to the situation... when I am rich and can easily and readily give to others it is morally wrong for me not to. When I am poor and must fight for every scrap of my existence it is morally wrong for me to not take what I can.

Currently I don't commit (real) crimes and am even attempting to atone for my former piracy as best as I know how. Can't tell you what I'll be doing in ten years.

If we're talking a basic survival I might eat the guy. Assuming things aren't that bad... I've lived my life trying to be satisfied with my lot, and that the pursuit of wealth isn't important. I could do many things, that would be detrimental to me as a person, to gain lots of money; but I choose not to.

(April 25, 2011 at 6:12 pm)Zenith Wrote: I've removed the fear of being found/being punished for this.

You did, but my mind wouldn't necessarily do that. I'd still have to live with the guilt that I took another human life and was then living in that guy's mansion with all his riches. Eventually I'd have to realize that I'd be far worse than the rich guy, because even though we were both living a luxurious life while others starved, at least he didn't kill anyone, but I did in this scenario.

Doubting THomas Wrote:Eventually I'd have to realize that I'd be far worse than the rich guy, because even though we were both living a luxurious life while others starved, at least he didn't kill anyone, but I did in this scenario.

You don't know that. For all you could know... this man you just killed was the scum of the planet. Rapist, murderer, thief, gorger... all that stuff.

All you know is that you infact did kill him. no need to give that more credit than it is due.

I would only kill in self defense. I would try to be friends with the rich guy..maybe he would hook me up with a second chance.

(April 25, 2011 at 6:54 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: I would only kill in self defense. I would try to be friends with the rich guy..maybe he would hook me up with a second chance.

I'm eager to see a rich man looking respectful to a homeless man and wanting to be friend with him.
Anyway, most surely he would fear to get that homeless man to work as a servant to him, fearing that he would steal from him or who knows what.

Also, I'm quite surprised that so many people say that they would not push him.

(April 25, 2011 at 6:07 pm)Zenith Wrote: I don't think I would, in that case: I would see him more close to me. I would see a man struggling and working hard to earn a living, I would appreciate him for that, and therefore, I'd consider it as unjust to end his life and unjustly take what is his.

So you're fine with killing someone to further your own agenda given that:

1. You are in a bad position and
2. They are in a position much better than your own

How can you possibly justify that as a moral decision?

Quote:As about the rich man: You know, if I was a beggar for a few years and now I would stand behind this rich guy, I guess all I could think about would be my needs and desires, and of the fact that I have unjustly become in this very poor state, while I worked a lot and did my best, while this guy is a very happy person that only has fun and to whom money and parties just come with little to no effort. And I'd think that it would have been fair for me to have a lot for my very great effort, while he should have had very little to nothing due to his lack of effort. So I would think that it would be fair for me to have his riches, for my effort, while he should deserve nothing. These added to my great desire seen as almost already completed, and my confidence that I won't ever remember him, I would see the little push as a 'little' thing.

So because you lost all your wealth in a freak accident, and this man gained all his wealth through, say, the lottery, it would become "fair" for you to murder him? Why? Because you worked hard and gained fuck all in return? How exactly is that "fair"?

Also, someone who wins the lottery deserves "nothing"? Not even their life?