Anger doesn't have to lead to violence. And yes the world isn't perfect. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best to not be violent.

(June 26, 2016 at 3:33 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I think it was a mistake.

But, in a democracy, you have to accept a vote.

The EU needs serious reform, as does the UN, but you don't pack a hissy fit and walk out.

I think the future of the EU probably largely depends on what happens with the economies of Spain and Italy in the next few years. If they recover and don't require a bailout, I bet that the UK will rejoin the EU. If they don't, Germany won't be able to bail them out on their own and you'll probably see a much looser European confederation in the future.

(June 26, 2016 at 3:34 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Anger doesn't have to lead to violence. And yes the world isn't perfect. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best to not be violent.

Peace is always the preferred option.

(June 26, 2016 at 3:36 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(June 26, 2016 at 3:33 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I think it was a mistake.

But, in a democracy, you have to accept a vote.

The EU needs serious reform, as does the UN, but you don't pack a hissy fit and walk out.

I think the future of the EU probably largely depends on what happens with the economies of Spain and Italy in the next few years. If they recover and don't require a bailout, I bet that the UK will rejoin the EU. If they don't, Germany won't be able to bail them out on their own and you'll probably see a much looser European confederation in the future.

Rejoining the EU would require the consent of all member states. Never going to happen, they're fed up with us and we're fed up with them. The EU will fucking collapse.

(June 26, 2016 at 3:34 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Anger doesn't have to lead to violence. And yes the world isn't perfect. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best to not be violent.

It's easy to say when you aren't being violently oppressed and have a pretty easy life (I don't know whether or not that's the case with you, I'm just saying it.) Large scale riots have accompanied almost every civil rights movement ever. So I think they have had their place. Maybe one day we'll be able to have social change without violence. It's just not the world we live in.


This is way off topic but:
Personally, and this is not me saying that it's what is best for everybody or the world, but..... I think the world is a more interesting place with violence in it. I've been in some very dangerous places in my life and they make for some of the most interesting memories. I don't necessarily hold with the idea that the perfect life is one of comfortable safety. I'd also much rather live in the Ghetto then the Suburbs. I'm not saying that applies to everyone, or there is anything wrong with wanting a totally safe life, but that's not what everybody wants. There is a reason we don't watch movies about people keeping well maintained lawns and going to PTA meetings.

(June 26, 2016 at 3:34 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Anger doesn't have to lead to violence. And yes the world isn't perfect. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best to not be violent.

What we observe all over Europe, is a revolution of the disenfranchised. Rightfully so, since they have been left behind after 2008, losing their jobs and livelihoods, whie banks were saved left, right and center. The governments and by proxy, the EU, have initialised austerity programs that again hit workers and ordinary people the most.

These are all valid concerns, and I feel the same backclash in my own life. Which is much worse than it was in the first decade of this millennium. I would love to see all these people unite to push for some productive changes instead of listening to the pied piper on the right. Who, as I said, don't give even less of a shit about what's happening to them than the mainstream politicians. They get their rocks off on some power trip and their nationalist wet dreams, but have zero ideas on how to save the economy, or how to initiate a real reform that isn't build on walls and exclusiveness.

Which is a ridiculous approach, since there are no immigration restrictions for businesses moving to greener pastures, if their particular country doesn't agree with their profits anymore. This isn't the world of grocer Jack, living to the ripe age of 82 anymore, so that the town can eat, if you get my drift.

If not, this is what I meant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENblHOxi1c4

(June 26, 2016 at 3:33 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I think it was a mistake.

But, in a democracy, you have to accept a vote.

The EU needs serious reform, as does the UN, but you don't pack a hissy fit and walk out.

Indeed.

(June 26, 2016 at 3:16 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: I'm sure you want a nice place for your daughter to grow up in, but that's exactly what we Brits wanted for our future generations. That's why we voted out.

Except that the younger generations were voting to stay in and the older generations were voting to leave.

(June 26, 2016 at 4:36 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(June 26, 2016 at 3:16 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: I'm sure you want a nice place for your daughter to grow up in, but that's exactly what we Brits wanted for our future generations. That's why we voted out.

Except that the younger generations were voting to stay in and the older generations were voting to leave.

The younger generation stayed in bed and didn't bother, then complained about the result.

(June 26, 2016 at 3:22 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: I don't wish for civil unrest. It's not something I would particularly like to happen,

But you have said on multiple times that you will enjoy watching it happen.

(June 26, 2016 at 3:22 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: but it might happen if the government turned around and ignored a win vote on a referendum. It might not happen on the other hand. I guess we're gonna just have to wait and see what happens.

Civil unrest will happen if the Brexit takes place (it's not assured yet). A few years down the line when people no longer have any worker's rights, no job security and are even poorer. Civil unrest happens when people are hungry and have nothing left to lose. It will be the young that riot.