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(June 28, 2016 at 5:44 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(June 27, 2016 at 9:58 pm)Darwins Disciple Wrote: Who said I did not blame religion for Pulse Nightclub massacre?,....I do blame religion.

The killer announced motive was for Islamic State, I have to take his word. However I suspect he was closet/repressed homosexual that was confused and self loathed from anti-gay father and religion that would never accept him. Similar to the scene in movie "American Beauty" with Marine Colonel.

Let me ask a question. How do you feel about gay people?

Live and let live.  

Given news updates since your original post, do you still hold the position that religion was not a factor in this shooting?

(June 28, 2016 at 10:41 pm)Darwins Disciple Wrote: Given news updates since your original post, do you still hold the position that religion was not a factor in this shooting?

I think you misunderstood. In his original post, Little Rik is not talking about religion - he often expresses anti-religion sentiments himself, as he's a follower of a small hinduism-based sect, which he doesn't consider a religion.

His relief is at the fact, that we - people who do not believe in an actual god - don't blame an actual god for the Orlando shooting. Like I said - he is bat-sh*t crazy...

(June 28, 2016 at 10:41 pm)Darwins Disciple Wrote:

(June 28, 2016 at 5:44 am)Little Rik Wrote: Live and let live.  

Given news updates since your original post, do you still hold the position that religion was not a factor in this shooting?

Sure it does however i rejected your initial post in this thread because it sound like I am to blame for something that I have nothing to do with.
You really should have start your post in a different way.

Anyway let us remember that religions or not religions mentally sick people would strike anyway.
Most massacres had nothing to do with religions.
Your problem Mister  is that you get too excited well before you analyze the situation in full details.  

(June 29, 2016 at 7:49 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(June 28, 2016 at 10:41 pm)Darwins Disciple Wrote: Given news updates since your original post, do you still hold the position that religion was not a factor in this shooting?

Sure it does however i rejected your initial post in this thread because it sound like I am to blame for something that I have nothing to do with.
You really should have start your post in a different way.

Anyway let us remember that religions or not religions mentally sick people would strike anyway.
Most massacres had nothing to do with religions.
Your problem Mister  is that you get too excited well before you analyze the situation in full details.  

Yes but it's the warped morality of religion that causes unstable people to commit acts like this, and that's without mentioning all the bigotry shown by supposedly stable people.

(June 29, 2016 at 8:05 am)Expired Wrote:

(June 29, 2016 at 7:49 am)Little Rik Wrote: Sure it does however i rejected your initial post in this thread because it sound like I am to blame for something that I have nothing to do with.
You really should have start your post in a different way.

Anyway let us remember that religions or not religions mentally sick people would strike anyway.
Most massacres had nothing to do with religions.
Your problem Mister  is that you get too excited well before you analyze the situation in full details.  

Yes but it's the warped morality of religion that causes unstable people to commit acts like this, and that's without mentioning all the bigotry shown by supposedly stable people.

I suggest both of you guys to analyse the statistics and see how many massacres are committed by
religious minded idiots and how many by non religious minded idiots.
After you do this come back to me so you can argue with a better understanding of the issue.

Just look in the US where most massacres in the last 30 years were committed by non religious people.
You never thought about it Expired, did you?  

(June 29, 2016 at 8:41 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(June 29, 2016 at 8:05 am)Expired Wrote: Yes but it's the warped morality of religion that causes unstable people to commit acts like this, and that's without mentioning all the bigotry shown by supposedly stable people.

I suggest both of you guys to analyse the statistics and see how many massacres are committed by
religious minded idiots and how many by non religious minded idiots.
After you do this come back to me so you can argue with a better understanding of the issue.

Just look in the US where most massacres in the last 30 years were committed by non religious people.
You never thought about it Expired, did you?  

Are we not talking about a specific event here? The attack in Orlando was a religiously motivated attack. I was not making any comment about previous events, learn to read dickhead.

(June 29, 2016 at 7:49 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(June 28, 2016 at 10:41 pm)Darwins Disciple Wrote: Given news updates since your original post, do you still hold the position that religion was not a factor in this shooting?

Sure it does however i rejected your initial post in this thread because it sound like I am to blame for something that I have nothing to do with.
You really should have start your post in a different way.

Anyway let us remember that religions or not religions mentally sick people would strike anyway.
Most massacres had nothing to do with religions.
Your problem Mister  is that you get too excited well before you analyze the situation in full details.  

For once Rik, you're right about something. Partially, at least. People would most likely still do bad things if religion didn't exist. Also, massacres are nearly never strictly religious. There always seems to be some other motivator (land, resource, racism, homophobia, etc.).


That being said, religion does often enable, embolden, organize, and even protect some really odious people and behaviors, and on top of that it teaches that any act is justified as long as you can convince yourself that god is telling you to do it.


There's a quote that Penn Jillette uses a lot, and I think he borrowed it from somewhere, but it goes something like this (paraphrasing):

Quote:Without religion, good people would still do good things, and bad people would still do bad things, but for good people to do bad things...that takes religion

Not having religion wouldn't eliminate evil...but I bet it would reduce it.


Hell, I don't have to bet anything. Countries without a lot of religious people routinely dominate in measures of crime rate, human rights, and happiness. Religiosity is actually inversely proportional to crime, especially, which does seem to indicate that less religion means less people doing bad things.

(June 29, 2016 at 9:30 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(June 29, 2016 at 7:49 am)Little Rik Wrote: Sure it does however i rejected your initial post in this thread because it sound like I am to blame for something that I have nothing to do with.
You really should have start your post in a different way.

Anyway let us remember that religions or not religions mentally sick people would strike anyway.
Most massacres had nothing to do with religions.
Your problem Mister  is that you get too excited well before you analyze the situation in full details.  

For once Rik, you're right about something. Partially, at least. People would most likely still do bad things if religion didn't exist. Also, massacres are nearly never strictly religious. There always seems to be some other motivator (land, resource, racism, homophobia, etc.).


That being said, religion does often enable, embolden, organize, and even protect some really odious people and behaviors, and on top of that it teaches that any act is justified as long as you can convince yourself that god is telling you to do it.


There's a quote that Penn Jillette uses a lot, and I think he borrowed it from somewhere, but it goes something like this (paraphrasing):

Quote:Without religion, good people would still do good things, and bad people would still do bad things, but for good people to do bad things...that takes religion

Not having religion wouldn't eliminate evil...but I bet it would reduce it.


Hell, I don't have to bet anything. Countries without a lot of religious people routinely dominate in measures of crime rate, human rights, and happiness. Religiosity is actually inversely proportional to crime, especially, which does seem to indicate that less religion means less people doing bad things.

Wrong again Pinky.  

The flow of mental instability is like the flow of a river.
If the river can not flow in a particular direction it will flow in a different one but flow it must.
You can not stop this flow.
It is impossible.
Religion is just a direction but the directions are limitless.
It wouldn't make any difference.
Mental instability got to have or better say follow a direction.
If one doesn't work plenty more are available.

You problem guys is that you look at the finger instead looking at the direction where the finger indicate.