(June 29, 2016 at 4:34 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: 408 pounds or 493.81 Euros per month for me

Which surprises me even more, given your location. These days I'm happy to scrape together a 1000. And that barely covers the costs. Think of a guy who made 4 to 5 times as much, not even a decade ago, and you get why I had to radically change my style of living.

(June 29, 2016 at 4:54 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(June 29, 2016 at 4:47 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Good thing you're not living in Lisbon...
No math could save you... The result would always be negative... :/

I am close enough to that old lady, but not that close. Yeah I kinda know its streets. I am a little above Malveira up the A8. Wild wild west

Much quieter.

Ahh Malveira... I've had some nice steaks in a restaurant, there...

(June 29, 2016 at 4:53 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(June 29, 2016 at 4:30 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Your mom with her kids at walmart isn't likely to think and wish that gays and atheists should be murdered, women should be second-class citizens and that insulting her religion is a crime that justifiably calls for terrorist acts. 

We'd find plenty of muslims who don't think that either, but would respond in the affirmative when asked whether or not the laws of allah should be the laws of the US.

Quote:There's no debating someone who is intentionally pulling the wool over their own eyes. That analogy is so ridiculous I shouldn't have even responded to it. Alas, I am always hopeful some glimmer of sincerity will shine through such obscure tactics of conversation.

Right, because....it's not like people hold theocratic beliefs that they fail to act upon...be it the lady at the walmart or the man in the mosque.

I agree, and as long as their interpretations of said laws of allah fall within legally appropriate areas, there shouldn't be any problem with their beliefs. That, Rhythm, is precisely what everyone is hoping to achieve. But believing naively that this is so for enough muslims already that their particular religion doesn't represent a graver problem than any other group in the world at the moment isn't going to help us achieve that goal.

It isn't like that. The man in the mosque does act out on those beliefs far more often than your lady at the walmart does. Not to mention, the nature of the first's beliefs, his interpretations of them and their subsequent consequences far surpass in graveness, on average, the latter's, and that's all the difference in the world.

(June 29, 2016 at 5:01 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I agree, and as long as their interpretations of said laws of allah fall within legally appropriate areas, there shouldn't be any problem with their beliefs. That, Rhythm, is precisely what everyone is hoping to achieve. But believing naively that this is so for enough muslims already that their particular religion doesn't represent a graver problem than any other group in the world at the moment isn't going to help us achieve that goal.

Where their beliefs fall on a line hardly matters, so long as they fail to act on those beliefs that lie outside of that line we have no reason to be suspicious of that person.  Silly people believe silly shit, the crushing majority are not terrorists on account of it.  

Quote:It isn't like that. The man in the mosque does act out on those beliefs far more often than your lady at the walmart does. Not to mention, the nature of the first's beliefs, his interpretations of them and their subsequent consequences far surpass in graveness, on average, the latter's, and that's all the difference in the world.

Oh but it is, and your obsession with muslim nutjobs can't be anything more than the presentment effect, because if you walk -your- silly ass on over to the FBI's website and check some stats, you'll find that even -after- accounting for the recent exportation of violent islamism...it's still home grown native christians leading the ideologically driven violence race.  OFC a person with an ounce of common sense wouldn't have to look..because they'd realize that the majority status of christians all but ensures their representation in our stats. 

I'm as eager as the next guy to see islam go off into the night, as silently as possible...but peddle this shit someplace other than the internet, to people who have fewer than the two brain cells required to come up with it. Muslims, that have you so worked up...compared to their christian counterparts you seem to see as innocuous, rate no higher than enthusiastic amatuers. Don't let them scare you, or the terrorists have won.

(June 29, 2016 at 6:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(June 29, 2016 at 5:01 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I agree, and as long as their interpretations of said laws of allah fall within legally appropriate areas, there shouldn't be any problem with their beliefs. That, Rhythm, is precisely what everyone is hoping to achieve. But believing naively that this is so for enough muslims already that their particular religion doesn't represent a graver problem than any other group in the world at the moment isn't going to help us achieve that goal.

Where their beliefs fall on a line hardly matters, so long as they fail to act on those beliefs that lie outside of that line we have no reason to be suspicious of that person.  Silly people believe silly shit, the crushing majority are not terrorists on account of it.  

Quote:It isn't like that. The man in the mosque does act out on those beliefs far more often than your lady at the walmart does. Not to mention, the nature of the first's beliefs, his interpretations of them and their subsequent consequences far surpass in graveness, on average, the latter's, and that's all the difference in the world.

Oh but it is, and your obsession with muslim nutjobs can't be anything more than the presentment effect, because if you walk -your- silly ass on over to the FBI's website and check some stats, you'll find that even -after- accounting for the recent exportation of violent islamism...it's still home grown native christians leading the ideologically driven violence race.  OFC a person with an ounce of common sense wouldn't have to look..because they'd realize that the majority status of christians all but ensures their representation in our stats. 

I'm as eager as the next guy to see islam go off into the night, as silently as possible...but peddle this shit someplace other than the internet, to people who have fewer than the two brain cells required to come up with it. Muslims, that have you so worked up...compared to their christian counterparts you seem to see as innocuous, rate no higher than enthusiastic amatuers.  Don't let them scare you, or the terrorists have won.

Your beliefs do matter, as does what you say you intend to do because of them. Islamists are worrisome by definition, and there's no amount of mental gimnastics you can do to escape that fact. The larger "innocent" part of a group that supports the more radical part also matters.

Your regressiveness actually disgusts me beyond words at this point. But then I read your second paragraph and realise that you're simply misinformed, so it's probably not your fault. Let me educate you just a little, but do promise to properly educate yourself afterwards. Islam is more than ten times the problem Christianity is right now. Islam is a credible threat to humanity's survival itself, that's how much of a problem it is. And, sorry, my American friend, but us Europeans actually do have more of a reason to worry about imported Islam than about cultural Christianity right now. Soon enough, you'll have to worry about it too, though, don't you doubt that for a second.

(June 29, 2016 at 4:49 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(June 29, 2016 at 4:34 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: 408 pounds or 493.81 Euros per month for me

I don't think that would rent a dumpster here.

All my money goes on rent. Hence the drinking tap water and eating a 90 pence microwavable meal or two a day

(June 29, 2016 at 4:56 pm)abaris Wrote:

(June 29, 2016 at 4:34 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: 408 pounds or 493.81 Euros per month for me

Which surprises me even more, given your location.

Depends where in the UK really. I'd never afford to live in London. I live in a village about a 45 minute walk away from a small town.

This apartment came with a bathroom and a kitchen sink and some kitchen cupboards. Completely unfurnished besides that and damage to the apartment from the previous resident which I have had to have the landlord fix (and there's still something that needs fixing that the previous resident covered up to make it look like it wasn't damaged).

Literally all my money goes on rent, electricity and internet (I can't cope without the internet). I say "literally" meaning the rest is food. And like the cheapest food I can buy. I live off 90 pence microwavable meals.

I'm often told by many people buying in bulk would be cheaper, but just one ingredient is more expensive than the whole cheap microwavable meal... and even if I could buy enough bulk ingredients to make it slightly less cheaper: The food would go out of date when I'd barely consumed any of it. So that wastefulness would obviously be very expensive.

And when it comes to frozen foods that last... I am severely limited by what I can buy because I don't have an oven. I also don't know how to cook and only know how to microwave things that give me the microwavable instructions on the packet.

Oh I also buy bread (no butter or margarine, just to go with my meals) and sometimes fruit. I bought some peanut butter to put in a mouse trap to get rid of the mouse in my apartment but the rodent bugger hasn't turned up since (my apartment has gaps in the skirting boards so a mouse got in). So I have almost ate it all already.

I sometimes buy ice cream or Pepsi as a treat but I usually have to miss a meal or two.

(June 30, 2016 at 1:18 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: And when it comes to frozen foods that last... I am severely limited by what I can buy because I don't have an oven. I also don't know how to cook and only know how to microwave things that give me the microwavable instructions on the packet.

You don't need an oven, you can buy a table top hot plate or hob. People rarely roast things even when they do have an oven. We bought one when we moved to Germany. Flats there really are unfurnished in that they don't even supply a kitchen or sink or anything, just an empty room with a water supply. So we bought free standing kitchen units and bought a camping hot plate.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fine-Elements-E...ectric+hob

When I first lived alone at university I didn't know how to cook either so I just learnt. It's not that hard, and can be fun to create new recipes. But it's so much cheaper and healthier in the UK to cook from base ingredients. After spending 4 years in industry I decided to go back to university on a stipend that gave me 9K a year. I wanted to continue eating organic food and I managed it because I knew how to cook from base ingredients.

It's amazing all the recipes that are essentially beans and rice.

So I could make meals cheaper than 90 pence?