(July 1, 2016 at 11:53 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote: We will have a deal with the EU, at some point, that will allow for trade, and the movement of people.  Deals will be negotiated, terms agreed between the UK and the EU. 

These laws you speak of will no longer apply to the UK, so why would we want a voice in how they are made?

Yes, ofc, one-sided deals and usory terms that profit the EU.  Or you could try your hand with us...but we've -already- siphoned off, through short selling, an amount greater than the funds pledged to prevent disaster...that's the kind of special friend we are.

-and god forbid we get a progressive government that more closely approximates EU economic restrictions. Then you'll be royally fucked, and all without the backing of the EU..which is an economic empire every bit the equal to our own. Squeezed between two giants who don't have my interests at heart isn't the sort of place I'd want to be, if I were a tiny island nation who'd pissed off just about -everyone- on earth at some point or another...and before you start to think that those are old grudges, water under the bridge..just remember....star's and bars brexit.

(July 1, 2016 at 11:23 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote:

(July 1, 2016 at 11:16 am)Minimalist Wrote: Seems to me that it is in the EU's best interest to make an example of Britain, right now.

That kind of politics has always worked out so well in the past.......

If you are expecting humanity to change because of you I fear that you are walking along a path which will lead to disappointment.

(July 1, 2016 at 11:56 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote:

(July 1, 2016 at 11:53 am)Rhythm Wrote: Which, I think...was a miscalculation on the UKs part in the first place, looming the threat of an exit over negotiations.  They had more to lose than they could have gained.  Pull that shit over here and the guy across the table will call your bluff and lay his pistol on the felt...because somebodies about to go home broke, and they better get their explanation ready for the wife.

This is one of the interesting parts of all of the criticism I've received from Americans, here and on other sites........if the US ever found themselves in a position where laws were being passed by an organisation outside of your own country, that governed parts of your everyday life....

How'd you think that vote would have gone?

The vote would have never happened here because we have no provision by which to hold a national referendum. (I consider that a feature, not a bug.)

If we could have voted on it, it might have very well gone the same way - and I'd be criticizing that result just as soundly.

(July 1, 2016 at 11:56 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote: This is one of the interesting parts of all of the criticism I've received from Americans, here and on other sites........if the US ever found themselves in a position where laws were being passed by an organisation outside of your own country, that governed parts of your everyday life....

How'd you think that vote would have gone?

Sorry, missed this one.

We -are- in that position.  The US States and the EU States have more in common than right wingers on either side of the pond like to admit.  Just as Texas and the UK have alot in common, in context, main difference between them being that Texas isn't foolish enough to -act- on it's secessionist day-dreams...nor does anyone there actually believe that it would strike a mortal blow if they left, or if we withheld or severely taxed trade between us and the newly minted them.

You will not be negotiating from a position of power...that is an imperialist brit fantasy. You will be negotiating for sympathy, you've just impoverished yourselves. The only play is to try and make the EU seem like a big bad meanie and stir shit with it's remaining member states. Which is exactly what your reps did, when they took the floor last...with scotland begging and britain passive-aggresively asking for a handout.

(July 1, 2016 at 12:17 pm)Rhythm Wrote: nor does anyone there actually believe that it would strike a mortal blow if they left, or if we withheld or severely taxed trade between us and the newly minted them.

I dunno, I think you could probably scrape the bottom of the barrel and come up with a few who are that delusional.

Perhaps...but I bet they'd just as soon hang those dunces as see them pass a resolution splitting Texas off from our Union.  It is Texas, after all.

(July 1, 2016 at 11:16 am)Minimalist Wrote: Seems to me that it is in the EU's best interest to make an example of Britain, right now.

Ha, they'd cause more damage to their own economies than ours

-said Texas to the United States.

Do you even math, bro? I really, really, really do understand the independence bit. I don't understand these fantasies that brexiters have regarding their country and it's economic leverage.

England and Wales have not snapped off and fallen into the Atlantic....Incase you hav'nt noticed

It hasn't left the EU yet, I'd withhold judgement on that, lol.