(July 2, 2016 at 12:50 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: And yes, corruption grows even in this hierarchy.

even?

(July 2, 2016 at 12:31 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: How anyone can dislike religion when for the most part they preach "altruism". Even if preaching very often gets a bit annoying, they still only offer innocent ideas like "We have a recapie for a "very good" life, accept it or ...(and then it gets annoying).

But still, how "good deed" preachers can anger someone enough that he starts spamming angry posts towards God and his followers daily for many months and even years?

Taken from the first page of a google search on the definition of altruism:

Quote:al·tru·ism
ˈaltro͞oˌizəm/
noun
noun: altruism
the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others.
"some may choose to work with vulnerable elderly people out of altruism"

Actually no... religions are not about being selfless. Especially when one looks at the Abrahamic god and considers what he requires to feed his narcissistic supply. (See RobValue's pic of the ten commandments above)

Do religious organizations do good things? Sure... but they are also businesses that need to bring in money in order to pay their bills. That is neither disinterested nor selfless. Selfless would have to mean that EVERYTHING they do is strictly volunteer.

(July 2, 2016 at 12:50 pm)abaris Wrote:

(July 2, 2016 at 12:50 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: And yes, corruption grows even in this hierarchy.

even?

Religious leaders wish to look holy and many followers believe they strictly follow Gods law. But they are only human in the end.

(July 2, 2016 at 12:57 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Religious leaders wish to look holy and many followers believe they strictly follow Gods law. But they are only human in the end.

Yes, they wish. I wish to be a millionaire. Doesn't make me one though.

(July 2, 2016 at 12:55 pm)Nymphadora Wrote:

(July 2, 2016 at 12:31 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: How anyone can dislike religion when for the most part they preach "altruism". Even if preaching very often gets a bit annoying, they still only offer innocent ideas like "We have a recapie for a "very good" life, accept it or ...(and then it gets annoying).

But still, how "good deed" preachers can anger someone enough that he starts spamming angry posts towards God and his followers daily for many months and even years?

Taken from the first page of a google search on the definition of altruism:

Quote:al·tru·ism
ˈaltro͞oˌizəm/
noun
noun: altruism
the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others.
"some may choose to work with vulnerable elderly people out of altruism"

Actually no... religions are not about being selfless. Especially when one looks at the Abrahamic god and considers what he requires to feed his narcissistic supply. (See RobValue's pic of the ten commandments above)

Do religious organizations do good things? Sure... but they are also businesses that need to bring in money in order to pay their bills. That is neither disinterested nor selfless. Selfless would have to mean that EVERYTHING they do is strictly volunteer.

We have envy, anger, lust, pride, gluttony and greed in us in different stages of development, so demanding "holy" behavior from people is ludicrous.

I admire a bit religious people who strive towards crazy things like trying to completely ignoring instincts mentioned above. Thats why I cannot understand hate towards "innocent and idealistic" new testament religion.

I'm guessing two things:

1 - you don't get out much.
2 - you haven't ever attended a mega-church.

(July 2, 2016 at 12:45 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:

(July 2, 2016 at 12:42 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Religions do not preach altruism. Religions preach religion.

10 commandments demand less consumption more restrictions and altruism.

The 10 commandments should be the 2 commandments + one additional commandment "Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk81tUUhRig

P.S. Demanding altruism is not altruistic. Commanding people to "Be nice" doesn't make people nice. You have to genuinely care not just be told to care... Oh.... and scaring people into caring by telling them they will go to hell if they don't do as they are told doesn't work either. You can't force someone to have empathy and compassion.

(July 2, 2016 at 1:16 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: I'm guessing two things:

1 - you don't get out much.
2 - you haven't ever attended a mega-church.

Been in small one. What angered you so strongly in mega church you attended?

(July 2, 2016 at 1:30 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: The 10 commandments should be the 2 commandments + one additional commandment "Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk81tUUhRig

Best clip evah!!

(July 2, 2016 at 1:30 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote:

(July 2, 2016 at 12:45 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: 10 commandments demand less consumption more restrictions and altruism.

The 10 commandments should be the 2 commandments + one additional commandment "Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk81tUUhRig

P.S. Demanding altruism is not altruistic. Commanding people to "Be nice" doesn't make people nice. You have to genuinely care not just be told to care... Oh.... and scaring people into caring by telling them they will go to hell if they don't do as they are told doesn't work either. You can't force someone to have empathy and compassion.

The scary shit is that they do manage to rewrite "minds software"(very often temporarily), so people behave in a very alien way "Only Gods will. Only Good deeds. Death to the egoism". Again, Good stuff, but very expansive to practice.