(July 2, 2016 at 3:48 pm)abaris Wrote:

(July 2, 2016 at 3:27 pm)Expired Wrote: Yeah, and the Greek economy and others are the types of economies that exist within the EU, thank's for making that valid point, as I said I'm singing down the pub in half an hour but I couldn't resist the temptation of replying to you backing me up.

Making your point, is it? How so? If it was the national government fucking them over. But I'm sure you have some delusion to support your fantasy.

Had all the folks on their feet tonight, I came home early as I am not drinking tonight, no delusion my friend, some European nations are on their last legs and are being propped up by the rest of us, keep paying your taxes with a smile on your face, but I'm not doing it anymore.

(July 2, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Expired Wrote: keep paying your taxes with a smile on your face, but I'm not doing it anymore.

Tell that to Mister Osborne. He may have some bad news for you, last I heard in the news.

Since you were talking about singing, I'm sure, you know the old Beatles song.

Quote:Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cos I'm the taxman
Yeah, I'm the taxman

(July 2, 2016 at 6:16 pm)abaris Wrote:

(July 2, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Expired Wrote: keep paying your taxes with a smile on your face, but I'm not doing it anymore.

Tell that to Mister Osborne. He may have some bad news for you, last I heard in the news.

Since you were talking about singing, I'm sure, you know the old Beatles song.

Quote:Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cos I'm the taxman
Yeah, I'm the taxman

No worse than usual. seen it and taken it with a huge pinch of salt.

(July 2, 2016 at 12:20 pm)Expired Wrote: I will bare my arse in woolworths window if the EU accept Scotland as an independent country, especially while little Jimmy Krankie is doing the negotiations.

That's very specific. It's not a fetish of yours is it?

Luckily I know where there is still a branch of Woolworth's. You'll need to go to the main pedestrian area of Osterode, Lower Saxony in Germany. It looks like it has been around since the 80's so I am sure it will be there in the next few years.

(July 2, 2016 at 2:16 pm)Expired Wrote: a couple of years ago you could have voted to be independent and arguing your case for remaining in the EU, what happened there? 

The people were lied to at the last moment by Westminster when it started to look like we'd get independence.

That won't work again.

(July 2, 2016 at 2:44 pm)Expired Wrote: Scotland needs to stay and unite this great kingdom, not kiss arse in Brussels.

Correction. England and Wales need Scotland to stay. Scotland doesn't need to stay.

(July 2, 2016 at 3:04 pm)abaris Wrote:

(July 2, 2016 at 3:01 pm)Expired Wrote: By the way you are talking people may think the EU is a good thing, are there any Greeks on this forum we can bring into this conversation?

Shitty as the austerity measures are, but do you really think the Greeks would rather file for bankrupcy. Because that would have happened if they hadn't been dealt billions in EU tax money. Money out of my pocket too, by the way.

You could have saved a lot of money by simply giving the Greeks the money in the first place without them borrowing any of it from private sources.  You are now out of more money because the tax money that you just forked over repays the private sources their principal plus accrued interest.

Just a quick thought before I go to bed @ abaris and evie, if the EU is so good why cant you afford a couple of quid (or euros) to keep this site going? and man can not live on 90 pence microwave meals alone, give it twelve months mate and you will be on dominos takeaways every night.

I don't think it's helpful to even talk about Greece's financial problems because every country in the world is swimming in debt and due to the way the fractional reserve system works, debt grows exponentially over time. 2% inflation of an economy is considered healthy to stave off deflation. The only county in existence to ever recover from a huge national debt and get back into the black again was Britain and that was because it kicked off the industrial revolution. You can't rely on that happening again.

The financial system is fucked by the way it is designed. Banks need to loan money in order to survive. This creates money which is debt. It is inherent in the system. Every country is racing to the bottom. The system relies on an exponentially expanding economy, and all economies are driven by energy. What we're facing now is what a lot of people call the Long Emergency. Exponential curves all going in the wrong direction. Demand is increasing, cheap energy is decreasing, the capacity to pollute, the depletion of rare earth minerals, the growing population etc Unless we can do something on a par with the industrial revolution such as asteroid mining or fusion power, then what has happened with Greece will happen to every other country as well.

Thinking that this is the result of a political organisation, a political ideology or party is thinking too small. This is happening because living organisms by their very nature are Maximum Entropy Production Units.

WUT!?

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Nigel Farage today resigned as Ukip leader, claiming he wanted his life back.

The MEP, who has been one of the country’s most recognisible Eurosceptic figures over the past ten years, made the announcement at a press conference in Central London.

Farage, who famously ‘unresigned’ as party leader last May, insisted today that this time his resignation was permanent.

In front of Ukip MEPs and other party officials, Farage made the shock announcement less than two weeks after the country voted to leave the European Union.
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