Guys, simple naive dumb question.

Deep down, does everyone of you guys know that it's just racist white cops using any excuse to shoot a black man.
Or is it their genuine perceived fear in general of blacks and crime which cause them play it safe by shooting first?

I'm reading it but I can't connect because we don't have this divide here.

(July 8, 2016 at 11:45 pm)Tres Leches Wrote:

(July 8, 2016 at 9:50 pm)thool Wrote: It would be nice if our country had a leader that could get through all the politics and do something about the problems. I'm not talking about "thoughts and prayers" which are reactive and ineffective, but tangible actions that make a difference. Put aside the flowery speeches, the quivering lower lip, and the calculated pauses...get the American people stirred up in such a way that they vote away the dead wood that is holding our country back. We have a lot of messed up crap here that needs to be fixed.

I was just thinking the same thing today - I don't blame President Obama for any of this; I'm thinking more like a leader to lead peaceful marches and galvanize people to come together. We need revolutionary ways of thinking to get rid of our race problems in the US. Where's Martin Luther King when you need him?

The word "blame" is wrong to assign to Obama regarding the violence, but I am completely comfortable using that word when it comes to motivating congress to do the right thing. He's had 8 years and things have gotten worse with respect to race relations and police violence. Maybe he just lacks the leadership juice to get everyone united behind a common goal.

My vision for an effective president is one who transcends politics and delivers a clear message to everyone to rally behind. Those politicians who defy this and instead ally themselves with their lobbyists rather than their constituents will find themselves out of a job the next election cycle.

So the president sets the foundation for this to occur.

(July 9, 2016 at 9:23 am)ignoramus Wrote: Guys, simple naive dumb question.

Deep down, does everyone of you guys know that it's just racist white cops using any excuse to shoot a black man.
Or is it their genuine perceived fear in general of blacks and crime which cause them play it safe by shooting first?

I'm reading it but I can't connect because we don't have this divide here.

I think one of the reasons white cops are killing black people is because some cops are straight up sociopaths. They don't give the first fuck about human life, and they know they can get away with killing black people because our racist justice system isn't going to hold them accountable.

As for why we don't hold them accountable, mostly racism combined with the fact that we don't want to believe police officers can be sociopaths.

(July 9, 2016 at 9:23 am)ignoramus Wrote: Guys, simple naive dumb question.

Deep down, does everyone of you guys know that it's just racist white cops using any excuse to shoot a black man.
Or is it their genuine perceived fear in general of blacks and crime which cause them play it safe by shooting first?

I'm reading it but I can't connect because we don't have this divide here.

It's really so much more complicated than that. Racial divide isn't the only reason for police brutality. It's not even the first reason IMO. It's the training mixed with the fact that it's really really difficult to hold a police officer accountable for their actions. The racial divide can't be explained simply either. It's very complicated. Tbh I live here and I don't really understand it either. We never had racism when I was a kid in Ohio. Moving to Georgia changed everything, but I still struggle wrapping my mind around the racism.

(July 9, 2016 at 9:08 am)Gemini Wrote:

(July 9, 2016 at 7:46 am)A Theist Wrote: [...]

BLM is a hate group. 

[...]

You're judging the entire BLM movement by the words and actions of its worst members. This is how humans dehumanize and demonize other humans. You're also posting videos which make misleading and false claims. It's true that black people are arrested and incarcerated at higher rates than white people; but it's appalling to blame this on the black community. 

This is the sort of thing that black people have to deal with: 

"...no one I talked to who has done criminal defense work in Alabama was surprised by the allegations, and all had negative things to say about Dothan, Houston County, and District Attorney Doug Valeska in particular. (Valeska has been DA there for more than 20 years.) One prominent defense attorney in the state says the county is so rife with racism that he had advised black clients to take plea bargains even when they have corroborating witnesses, simply because white jurors there just tend to assume that black people are lying." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...black-men/)

These videos also repeat the "racist and patently false narrative amplified by mainstream media that the majority of black fathers are scurrilous beings who are locked up and tuned out, low on education and high on weed..." http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/...her_s_day/

This is how you should view BLM. From George Chidi, a black man who marched in a peaceful protest on the night of the Dallas tragedy:

"If one truly believes police brutality against black people must end, the absolutely single worst thing one could do is commit a spree killing of several police officers at a police brutality protest. It is atavistic, anarchistic, sociopathic evil. We marched today, in peace. We protested like citizens. We sought healing, and justice. All of that was stolen from us today. I can't actually think of a better way to make every cop in America more likely to reach for their gun the next time they stop a black man who looks twitchy. This is a disaster -- for the honored dead, for their families, for the police in general, for black lives, and for the state of our democracy. We are beyond politics today."

Quote:You're judging the entire BLM movement by the words and actions of its worst members. This is how humans dehumanize and demonize other humans. You're also posting videos which make misleading and false claims. It's true that black people are arrested and incarcerated at higher rates than white people; but it's appalling to blame this on the black community. 

Then their worst members must make up the far and vast majority of BLM. In those videos there were far more than just a hand full shouting, What Do We Want? Dead Cops!" and, "Pigs In A Blanket. Fry 'em Like Bacon!" BLM is not a peaceful group. They're the ones who are instigating more racism, violence and disruption. They're the proverbial person who runs into a crowded theater and yells, Fire! Dallas Police Officers are shot dead and all of a sudden they're about peaceful demonstrations. Bullshit.  They need to be classified for what they are, a hate group.

(July 9, 2016 at 4:26 am)paulpablo Wrote:

(July 9, 2016 at 1:10 am)Minimalist Wrote: Which means that 60 percent aren't.

Which means 13.5 percent of the population is responsible for 40 percent of the cop killings.

Quote:There were 511 officers killed in felonious incidents and 540 offenders from 2004 to 2013, according to FBI reports. Among the total offenders, 52 percent were white, and 43 percent were black.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact...ll-police/

This means that roughly 232 offenders were black, and that roughly .000005% of that demographic were responsible for 43% of those police fatalities.

I know what you're trying to say -- blacks are disproportionately represented in these statistics -- but stating it in such a manner impugns the entire group for the actions of a miniscule few. And that's not even addressing the causes for such discrepancy, which is probably better ascribed to the sociology of being black: less access to good schools, jobs, and housing leading to more criminal behavior.

(July 9, 2016 at 9:39 am)Gemini Wrote:

(July 9, 2016 at 9:23 am)ignoramus Wrote: Guys, simple naive dumb question.

Deep down, does everyone of you guys know that it's just racist white cops using any excuse to shoot a black man.
Or is it their genuine perceived fear in general of blacks and crime which cause them play it safe by shooting first?

I'm reading it but I can't connect because we don't have this divide here.

I think one of the reasons white cops are killing black people is because some cops are straight up sociopaths. They don't give the first fuck about human life, and they know they can get away with killing black people because our racist justice system isn't going to hold them accountable.

As for why we don't hold them accountable, mostly racism combined with the fact that we don't want to believe police officers can be sociopaths.

But that's the thing...

Cops are killing whites 2:1 to blacks.

They are shooting unarmed whites and blacks @ the same 3% rate. according to the video posted above (the truth of BLM) and this article from the washington times:http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/

It seems you are confusing propaganda with fact.

Blacks make up 12.3 percent of the population.  Whites are 63 percent.  Do the math, Dripster.

And how many of those whites are really "hispanics?"

(July 8, 2016 at 12:14 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Hope the attackers get a bullet between their eyes.

In Bush Country? They will fry.

(July 9, 2016 at 11:42 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(July 9, 2016 at 4:26 am)paulpablo Wrote: Which means 13.5 percent of the population is responsible for 40 percent of the cop killings.

Quote:There were 511 officers killed in felonious incidents and 540 offenders from 2004 to 2013, according to FBI reports. Among the total offenders, 52 percent were white, and 43 percent were black.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact...ll-police/

This means that roughly 232 offenders were black, and that roughly .000005% of that demographic were responsible for 43% of those police fatalities.

I know what you're trying to say -- blacks are disproportionately represented in these statistics -- but stating it in such a manner impugns the entire group for the actions of a miniscule few. And that's not even addressing the causes for such discrepancy, which is probably better ascribed to the sociology of being black: less access to good schools, jobs, and housing leading to more criminal behavior.

A while ago on a forum about a policeman shooting a white person you said something along the lines of "What the po-lice shot a white person, was there a mistake?"  Which I'm pretty sure is a sarcastic comment about black people are usually the victims of police shootings rather than white people.  That's ok when you make comments about police officers shooting black people without thinking about the reasons behind the shootings and stating it in a manner which I think impugns the entire group of police officers.  But when I show statistics of black people shooting police officers, not sarcastic comments but actual statistics, then we all need to think more carefully about it, we need to understand why black people do it and have an understanding that it isn't all black people just a miniscule few.                            I'm not saying I disagree, I do agree, but let's think about the reasons on both sides and not just fall for the usual narratives. I'm showing these statistics not to impugn a whole group but to show a contrast and some resistance to the usual race baiting, the sarcastic comments, the meaningless articles about some white people who weren't killed by the police.