(July 9, 2016 at 5:00 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

(July 9, 2016 at 4:56 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Trump has also stated that he'd happily poke China, which is certainly not in our national interest.

Obama seems determined to piss off the Chinese.

We certainly are not accepting the unilateral change in international law by China without comment. But Obama is not talking about sailing the Sixth Fleet through the Strait of Formosa. There's a pretty big difference that Trump is proposing.

(July 10, 2016 at 2:34 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(July 9, 2016 at 5:00 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Obama seems determined to piss off the Chinese.

We certainly are not accepting the unilateral change in international law by China without comment. But Obama is not talking about sailing the Sixth Fleet through the Strait of Formosa. There's a pretty big difference that Trump is proposing.

I'm on the side of not pissing china the fuck off.

(July 9, 2016 at 6:02 pm)dyresand Wrote: Hillary can be bought Trump cannot that is why the GOP doesn't like the guy he is a rich guy running for office
that cannot be bought off.

I don't know where you get that idea. The Clintons are very wealthy. They don't need anyone else's money for anything. Even if "Wall Street" donates millions to Hillary's campaign, what recourse do they have if she fucks them during her first term? She's under no obligation to do their bidding. And she doesn't need them even for reelection. If she goes far left, she'll have plenty of superpac money from that source.

Trump on the other hand, has far overstated his wealth. Forbes and others have consistently estimated his wealth as less than half of what he claims. On top of that, he constantly demonstrates that all he cares about is his own bottom line. The Brexit vote has far-reaching implications for every nation but all Trump cared about was the lower value of the pound so more people could afford to come to his fucking golf course in Scotland!

dyresand, you're embarrassing yourself. Grow to fuck up! It's fine if you don't like Hillary but stop making these idiotic arguments. If you have something of substance to add than I'm ready to listen but you need to make it good. The notion that Trump cannot be bought is beyond the pale. He's a greedy, egotistical circus clown. He's not a man of principle. All he gives a shit about is himself!

dyresand, every time Hilary does yet another terrible thing, or there is a new revelation about her, Donald does something equally as bad or worse. It's tough to decide who is worse, but I have no regrets now saying Donald is worse (assuming he'd actually be able to do the things he said he wanted to do, which I don't think he will be able to do). But I may of course be proven wrong if Hilary becomes president because she is a chameleon and is above the law.

That does not mean I'd vote for Hilary. I'm way too principled for that. You'd have to put a gun to my head to get me to vote for Republican or Democratic. Both parties are rotten to the core.

And, somehow, I also have a rare moment of agreement with AFTT47. Donald can be bought. Donald is driven by money whereas Hilary is driven by a lust for power and feels entitled to become president.

(July 9, 2016 at 6:02 pm)dyresand Wrote: [...]Hillary can be bought Trump cannot that is why the GOP doesn't like the guy he is a rich guy running for office
that cannot be bought off.[...]

LOL... What? Trump can't be bought? Truly wealthy people don't have to whore themselves on reality TV. They also don't have to keep bragging about how rich they are - because everyone knows. And they don't need to skim funds off of their own campaign.

Trump is poor man's idea of what a rich person is - a loud a**hole on TV. It's an act - because that's really all Trump is. I don't understand how anyone can buy his bullsh*t.