That depends on what my agenda is, and do you call it a bad thing to have the agenda to bring the man who murdered 2000+ people to justice.

Im not talking about that. Im debating wether or not a video showing people dying is propaganda, because it plays on peoples emotions.

I guess that would depend on the context in which the footage was shown - but if someone merely films what's going on and said "Hey...look, this shit happened", that's not propaganda.

Right. Fair enough.

(May 2, 2011 at 1:17 am)ib.me.ub Wrote:

Saerules Wrote:'World peace' can only be achieved by death. Death of all life on that world.

What World. This World. Do you mean human life.

Any.

All life.

Peace will finally occur once all is nothing and nothing is everything.

(May 2, 2011 at 7:54 am)Meatball Wrote:

(May 1, 2011 at 11:57 pm)Shell B Wrote: I don't think either president has/had anything to do with bin Laden's eventual demise.
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Obama had nothing to do with it.

From the speech last night:

Quote:I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain. And it took many months to run this thread to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we could located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside Pakistan. And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.
Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Pakistan.

They don't call him "Commander in Chief" for nothing. He directly authorized and ordered actions that lead to Osama's death.

He doesn't collect evidence and put his life on the line to find terrorists. Sure, he may have authorized it, but that is the bulk of his involvement. He was briefed on the lead by other men with information collected by other men. He gave orders to other men to carry out a potentially deadly mission. Sure, he said yes, but my point is that he should not get more attention or credit for getting bin Laden than the men who actually did it.

Quote:Actually, if he did what he said he was going to do, none of those men who killed bin Laden would have been overseas to do it.

(May 2, 2011 at 7:54 am)Meatball Wrote: What is this referring to? Obama campaigned on increasing military presence in Afghanistan, and increasing funding and manpower on the hunt for Osama in particular. This is exactly what he said he was going to do.

Yeah, maybe one of the things he said he was going to do. Troops home by '08, troops home by '09, troops home by 2010, and on and on. It is not surprising. Presidents always contradict themselves.

Listen, I am not bashing Obama here. I am simply making a point that he is not in the dirt. The guys in the dirt are the ones that make stuff happen. The guys who collect intel from the guys in the dirt make things happen. Obama listens to them and agrees with what they suggest or he disagrees. Do you think he organized the attack? Do you think he would have the slightest idea how to arrange an operation by a 20+ man SEAL team?

Shell Wrote:He doesn't collect evidence and put his life on the line to find terrorists. Sure, he may have authorized it, but that is the bulk of his involvement. He was briefed on the lead by other men with information collected by other men. He gave orders to other men to carry out a potentially deadly mission. Sure, he said yes, but my point is that he should not get more attention or credit for getting bin Laden than the men who actually did it.

shhhh. Those men are secret.

(May 2, 2011 at 9:08 am)LastPoet Wrote: Death is no punishment, LastPoet thinks.

Death is only a punishment for those still living and affected by the death of others.

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(May 2, 2011 at 10:49 am)thesummerqueen Wrote:

(May 2, 2011 at 10:45 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: Isn't that propaganda? Or is it only propaganda when it suits your agenda?

Osama plotted 9/11. We show footage of 9/11. At it's barest form, I suppose you could call it propaganda, but I call it a "good goddamn reason."

Okay, enough with the freaking 9/11. It is 11/9/01. Or 11/9/2001. Fuck. America's. M/D/Y nonsense.

I am so tired of seeing the date as '9th of november' when it was the 11th of september. So... so tired. America too stupid to wrap their mouths around 11/9? Too familiar with 9-1-1 from prank calls?

Actually... that's probably the case. :S

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(May 2, 2011 at 11:14 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: So its good propaganda becuase its fits your agenda.

That's how propaganda tends to work ^_^ Some of us don't connect perpetrators and their victims though... so we just see people jumping out of burning buildings.

Frrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeddddooooooomm!!!!!!!!!!-Style

Valued Transexual Pragmatic Ascended Defiant Demigod Wrote:Okay, enough with the freaking 9/11. It is 11/9/01. Or 11/9/2001. Fuck. America's. M/D/Y nonsense.

I am so tired of seeing the date as '9th of november' when it was the 11th of september. So... so tired. America too stupid to wrap their mouths around 11/9?

Actually... that's probably the case. Confused

I think there is also a lot to be skeptical about. It's certainly possible that he died years ago, and perhaps the death of the 'figure-head' was needed as a reason to begin larger-scale troop withdrawal from the country. There could be other reasons as well. But if the news is correct indeed, if Osama did die recently, then shouldn't there be pictures of his body in the front page by now?

First, they said that he was buried at sea, then that his body is in US custody for DNA analysis? Why the contradictory claims? I don't even know what to believe anymore. :S