I'm pretty sure you were the one who put Nazis and Muslims in the same sentence first - I'm not comparing the two, I'm comparing the fact that both have heinous crimes attached to their names, so maybe German officials feel like they shouldn't kick out thousands of peaceful immigrants/citizens just because a few by comparison are terrible. It doesn't matter what's fueling that terribleness.

Hitler wouldn't have nuked the world. Just the areas filled with inferior people. That's what crazy people do.

(July 19, 2016 at 9:10 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: How many Muslims do you have in your country, Alex?

How many of them actually perpetrate violent crimes vs the ones who live peaceably?

It depends who you count as Muslim. If we count everyone with a Muslim cultural background, they probably number around 3 Million. The majority of them are families of Turkish immigrants who came here decades ago in the wake of the Marshall plan with the intention of going back, but stayed, add to that a good number of Arabs and Africans and people from former Yuguslawia.
Almost all of them live peaceably and are mostly concerned with having work and a good standard of living, and making sure that their kids are doing well.

Quote:If the Germans are swayed by anything because of former Nazism, it's that they understand that an entire people shouldn't be painted with a broad brush for the crimes of a few of them.

Indeed.

Outsiders tend to forget that we had literally millions of Muslim immigrants already 50 years ago, and nothing drastic happened.
Studies show that education is valued more highly among cultural muslim immigrants than the numerous Italian immigrants in Germany.

The catholic diocese in Cologne opened one of the wings of the cologne cathedral for them to use as a makeshift mosque. Nice, eh?

It is my understanding that Germany has been pretty influential in European politics, especially on this point, so excuse me if I don't keep my opinions to myself regarding whatever the fuck goes on in Germany.

No one is suggesting you keep your opinions to yourself. We're merely suggesting you obtain a more nuanced view of the situation in Germany.

(July 19, 2016 at 9:24 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: It is my understanding that Germany has been pretty influential in European politics, especially on this point, so excuse me if I don't keep my opinions to myself regarding whatever the fuck goes on in Germany.

But just a few posts ago you yourself admitted that your opinions on this are uninformed.  Why not ask questions instead of making declarations when they're admittedly ill-informed?

(July 19, 2016 at 9:28 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(July 19, 2016 at 9:24 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: It is my understanding that Germany has been pretty influential in European politics, especially on this point, so excuse me if I don't keep my opinions to myself regarding whatever the fuck goes on in Germany.

But just a few posts ago you yourself admitted that your opinions on this are uninformed.  Why not ask questions instead of making declarations when they're admittedly ill-informed?

Fair enough.

(July 19, 2016 at 9:11 am)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(July 19, 2016 at 9:10 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: How many Muslims do you have in your country, Alex?

How many of them actually perpetrate violent crimes vs the ones who live peaceably?

If the Germans are swayed by anything because of former Nazism, it's that they understand that an entire people shouldn't be painted with a broad brush for the crimes of a few of them.

Let's not go compare Nazism with Islamism and Jihadism. The latter are clearly worse and harder to get rid of because of the religious component.

I highly doubt it that Hitler would've intentionally nuked the world if the atomic bomb would've been invented sooner. Do I know what's going to happen if a Jihadist/Islamist state or well-funded terrorist organization gets its hands on biological or atomic weapons? You bet I do. It's pretty much bye, bye, sweet world.

Initially, he probably wouldn't have done things that permanently spoil the potential Lebensraum for the Aryans with radiation.

Later on though, he became even less sane. Hitler had large parts of Paris wired with explosives to detonate remotely in case of a loss, as well as a huge mass of weaponized gas within southern Germany which he wanted to blow up to destroy the region before the enemy can reach it. Both catastrophes were avoided rather serendipitously.
He would have probably ended the world out of spite if he had had nukes.

(July 19, 2016 at 9:33 am)Alex K Wrote:

(July 19, 2016 at 9:11 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: Let's not go compare Nazism with Islamism and Jihadism. The latter are clearly worse and harder to get rid of because of the religious component.

I highly doubt it that Hitler would've intentionally nuked the world if the atomic bomb would've been invented sooner. Do I know what's going to happen if a Jihadist/Islamist state or well-funded terrorist organization gets its hands on biological or atomic weapons? You bet I do. It's pretty much bye, bye, sweet world.

Initially, he probably wouldn't have done things that permanently spoil the potential Lebensraum for the Aryans with radiation.

Later on though, he became even less sane. Hitler had large parts of Paris wired with explosives to detonate remotely in case of a loss, as well as a huge mass of weaponized gas within southern Germany which he wanted to blow up to destroy the region before the enemy can reach it. Both catastrophes were avoided rather serendipitously.
He would have probably ended the world out of spite if he had had nukes.

Hitler wasn't 100% bad...he killed Hitler.  But then again..he also killed the guy who killed Hitler..