(July 26, 2016 at 5:24 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It took these two bits of theater for you to come to that realization?

I think we all suspected a bit of cut throating and conniving was going on between candidates and party elitists. But I don't think anybody, including yourself, realized to what degree and how high up the ladder the cut throating was happening.

I'm cant recall having ever thought anything other than that politics was flat out cut-throat conniving, with candidates bought and paid for by, largely...the same interests on both sides of the aisle.  

But then again....I became aware of politics under Bush the First, a former CIA muckety muck.  That set the tone.

Got a further education from Slick Willy (I might have to start calling him Clinton the 1st) who made it real by running through the block I grew up in when he was in the bay - sue me..before that it was always something that happened somewhere else.  

Laughed as Bush the Second went from Yale to Yall (that man cut my turkey btw, didn't strike me as the idiot he played on TV).  

Now, with Obama.....I didn't vote for him, either time....but I have to admit I was upset when he confirmed every cynical fiber that had grown in my body.  That he couldn't live up to the hope...and wasn't the change people believed in.  I suppose, at least, he prevented my entire life from being under the shadow of just two families in the white house.....giving me a little room to imagine - when I was too drunk or really hopped up on Murica...that we weren't an oligarchy. OFC that shit is ruined...because......

Today...I'm staring down the barrel of Clinton the Second, or the physical incarnation of everything that's wrong in american culture in The Trumpster, and wondering whether anything beyond this point can ever bring us back up out of the pit that they've all dug, for every moment of my life that I can remember.  The Risen fucking Christ could run for Prez next term and somehow....I don't think I'd believe that he was remotely a decent person or any change from what came before. I've just accepted that american politics can;t produce a decent candidate anymore. That if they ever encounter one, they'll either grind that person down or spit them out. It;s just a business, and business is too good to let a little thing like governance, or "we the people" , interfere.

(July 26, 2016 at 6:14 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(July 26, 2016 at 5:24 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It took these two bits of theater for you to come to that realization?

I think we all suspected a bit of cut throating and conniving was going on between candidates and party elitists. But I don't think anybody, including yourself, realized to what degree and how high up the ladder the cut throating was happening.

It reminds me of steroids in baseball.  We all knew, but when they had that hearing with McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, and company it made it uncomfortably real.

Bernie Sanders Supporters Just Staged a Massive Walkout at the DNC:

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sande...lkout-dnc/

I've heard of a plan for a walkout during Clinton's speech as well. It seems all the pleas for unity are not enough to make Sanders supporters forget how their own party turned against them. Good. The DNC have a real nerve calling for "unity" after the revelations this week. What they really need to be calling for is forgiveness, that and a plan for changing the inner workings of the party itself.

(July 26, 2016 at 6:31 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm cant recall having ever thought anything other than that politics was flat out cut-throat conniving, with candidates bought and paid for by, largely...the same interests on both sides of the aisle.  

But then again....I became aware of politics under Bush the First, a former CIA muckety muck.  That set the tone.

Got a further education from Slick Willy (I might have to start calling him Clinton the 1st) who made it real by running through the block I grew up in when he was in the bay - sue me..before that it was always something that happened somewhere else.  

Laughed as Bush the Second went from Yale to Yall (that man cut my turkey btw, didn't strike me as the idiot he played on TV).  

Now, with Obama.....I didn't vote for him, either time....but I have to admit I was upset when he confirmed every cynical fiber that had grown in my body.  That he couldn't live up to the hope...and wasn't the change people believed in.  I suppose, at least, he prevented my entire life from being under the shadow of just two families in the white house.....giving me a little room to imagine - when I was too drunk or really hopped up on Murica...that we weren't an oligarchy.  OFC that shit is ruined...because......

Today...I'm staring down the barrel of Clinton the Second, or the physical incarnation of everything that's wrong in american culture in The Trumpster, and wondering whether anything beyond this point can ever bring us back up out of the pit that they've all dug, for every moment of my life that I can remember.  The Risen fucking Christ could run for Prez next term and somehow....I don't think I'd believe that he was remotely a decent person or any change from what came before.  I've just accepted that american politics can;t produce a decent candidate anymore.  That if they ever encounter one, they'll either grind that person down or spit them out.  It;s just a business, and business is too good to let a little thing like governance, or "we the people" , interfere.

I agree with many of your points, but I have to disagree that Obama did nothing.

He did a great deal for the people. Maybe he did not do anything for you personally.

However, in the end, especially when it comes to the two parties who may still be financed by the same corporations, the dems will always be more for the people than the repubs.

(July 27, 2016 at 12:46 am)Tiberius Wrote: Bernie Sanders Supporters Just Staged a Massive Walkout at the DNC:

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sande...lkout-dnc/

I've heard of a plan for a walkout during Clinton's speech as well. It seems all the pleas for unity are not enough to make Sanders supporters forget how their own party turned against them. Good. The DNC have a real nerve calling for "unity" after the revelations this week. What they really need to be calling for is forgiveness, that and a plan for changing the inner workings of the party itself.

Because in the end Trump is a better option than Clinton?

Idiots need to stop being idiots.

Trump will destroy this country worse than Bush.

(July 27, 2016 at 12:59 am)Maelstrom Wrote:

(July 27, 2016 at 12:46 am)Tiberius Wrote: Bernie Sanders Supporters Just Staged a Massive Walkout at the DNC:

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sande...lkout-dnc/

I've heard of a plan for a walkout during Clinton's speech as well. It seems all the pleas for unity are not enough to make Sanders supporters forget how their own party turned against them. Good. The DNC have a real nerve calling for "unity" after the revelations this week. What they really need to be calling for is forgiveness, that and a plan for changing the inner workings of the party itself.

Because in the end Trump is a better option than Clinton?

Idiots need to stop being idiots.

Trump will destroy this country worse than Bush.

No, because the DNC screwed over Sanders numerous times and actively tried to sabotage his campaign. The DNC chair resigned and immediately got a job with Clinton's campaign. If anything, that's a promotion, because it will inevitably lead to a position in Clinton's administration.

If the DNC want the votes of the people they betrayed, they will need to do better than that. As I said, they need to stop calling for unity and start groveling. DWS needs to be removed from the campaign as well. As long as she's around, the campaign is poisoned.

(July 27, 2016 at 1:33 am)Tiberius Wrote:

(July 27, 2016 at 12:59 am)Maelstrom Wrote: Because in the end Trump is a better option than Clinton?

Idiots need to stop being idiots.

Trump will destroy this country worse than Bush.

No, because the DNC screwed over Sanders numerous times and actively tried to sabotage his campaign. The DNC chair resigned and immediately got a job with Clinton's campaign. If anything, that's a promotion, because it will inevitably lead to a position in Clinton's administration.

If the DNC want the votes of the people they betrayed, they will need to do better than that. As I said, they need to stop calling for unity and start groveling. DWS needs to be removed from the campaign as well. As long as she's around, the campaign is poisoned.

Only idiots will vote for Trump. After all, there are only two options from which to choose, unless you think the majority will magically write in Bernie's name. Good luck with that. Seriously, learn that a dem is always better than a repub.

A poisoned dem campaign as opposed to a poisoned repub campaign?

How are you this dumb?

And Bernie still supports Hillary. *drops mike*

Hey man! I don't like being dropped.