(July 27, 2016 at 4:24 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Clinton quite honestly lucked out with Trump this year. If Bush, or Rubio, or Cruz had won, I think Clinton would easily lose. In a split Republican vs split Democrat election, the Democrats probably have it.

I said Trump is the easiest Republican to beat too but people thought I was crazy. I'm sure the Clintons encouraged (not saying he's a plant, just that they really wanted him to run) their close friend Donald to run in the hopes of splitting the Republican party and giving them an easy win (even if he happened to win the primary withouit splitting the primary because he's so incompetent).

Donald amazed everyone by winning the nomination. And I doubt Hilary expected to be losing to Trump in the national polling. Donald Trump of all people! Anyone else would have a much bigger lead than Trump because they're way more competent and have the support of the majority of the Republican establishment

I'd have wished for Rand Paul. He would crush Hilary. I don't get why more people didn't vote for Rand in the primaries - he was most likable candidate. Though the Republican elites would probably treat him like the DNC treated Senator Sanders (i.e. like they treated Ron Paul). If it were Hilary and Rand as the respective nominees I'd have no trouble voting Republican.

(July 27, 2016 at 5:57 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote:

(July 27, 2016 at 4:24 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Clinton quite honestly lucked out with Trump this year. If Bush, or Rubio, or Cruz had won, I think Clinton would easily lose. In a split Republican vs split Democrat election, the Democrats probably have it.

I said Trump is the easiest Republican to beat too but people thought I was crazy. I'm sure the Clintons encouraged (not saying he's a plant, just that they really wanted him to run) their close friend Donald to run in the hopes of splitting the Republican party and giving them an easy win (even if he happened to win the primary withouit splitting the primary because he's so incompetent).

Donald amazed everyone by winning the nomination. And I doubt Hilary  expected to be losing to Trump in the national polling. Donald Trump of all people! Anyone else would have a much bigger lead than Trump because they're way more competent and have the support of the majority of the Republican establishment

I'd have wished for Rand Paul. He would crush Hilary. I don't get why more people didn't vote for Rand in the primaries - he was most likable candidate. Though the Republican elites would probably treat him like the DNC treated Senator Sanders (i.e. like they treated Ron Paul). If it were Hilary and Rand as the respective nominees I'd have no trouble voting Republican.

Fuck Rand Paul! So a gay person can get married and smoke pot? Is that how you think worker stability works? Nope, still a form of economic Ayn Rand "fuck you I got mine".

Long before these primaries started, and something both republicans and libertarians ignore are billionaire voices like Nick Hanauer who would say you are full of shit, and you cant simply let the pay gap keep exploding. WORKERS not the uber rich, but workers make up the bulk of the buying public. The less they make the less they spend. The less they spend, the less people go through a business's doors. WORKERS not the rich, are the job creators. No business owner will hire a new employee unless the demand forces them too, so it is extremely important to VALUE the economic stability and buying power of the majority of society, which is NOT the uber rich.

If you think keeping wages low or lowering wages more works, all you have to do is visit India which has a much bigger poverty population, or go work in a Chinese sweat shop factory. That may be your idea of global competition, a race to the bottom, but it will NEVER be mine. The bullshit about higher wages forcing companies to outsource isn't about survival, it is about greed and total lack of responsibility to INVEST in the country you get rich in.

"We cant afford it" is bullshit, that is nothing but Corporate blackmail. If anyone wants me to feel sorry for the Walmart family, or the Koch Brothers or oil companies rich CEOs you can forget it. There are rich people who DO understand the value of workers, but we don't have enough. Libertarians being right on social issues does not make them less republican economically, in fact to me they are simply more gas on the fire.

"We're willing to create more poverty wages but at least we include gays and pot smokers". BULLSHIT.

I get that there is 2 shit heads my whole driving force for not voting Hillary and it's the biggest point
is the god damned TPP if she actually wanted to win she would toss out her VP pick and get serious
and say look i may be a lying sack of shit i will get Bernie or any other Progressive as a VP let them do there
thing and i won't get the TPP passed. She could do that get Bernie or Jill as a VP instead of a guy who is
pro TPP and free trade deals. But again it's not to late to make that change if i was in her shoes.

Man, they really gloss over the middle east events when Hillary was Secretary of State like Bill glossed over the way he was fucking other women the entire time during his romantic recap of their relationship.

Just like they gloss over those DNC emails every time they talk about democracy and voting.

Seems like they are just asking everyone to be in denial.

"I picked Hillary as secretary of state. She was there when we got Bin Laden. Yadda yadda yadda... and that's why she should be commander in chief."

I can allow you all your dissection of both parties. In fact, that is not what bothers me.

What does bother me is that you are basically stating that you will not vote for either party.

Well, hell, don't vote, or even vote but write in Bernie's name.

What you all need to understand is that from a very logical standpoint, at this time we are not capable of electing a third party member.

The republicans count on you to make the wrong choice, because for fucking sure they will not waste their vote.

A third party vote is a waste, a vote that could have been used for the lesser of the two evils.

If Trump wins, you can bet that I am going to blame all of you idiots who were too fucking dumb to understand how politics works.

After all, it has been consistently shown that democrats are for the people. They can never give us everything we want, but when they do, it is epic. I thought I was going to die without seeing gay marriage legalized, after all.

Would a republican have legalized gay marriage?

The republican is only for the one percent.

(July 28, 2016 at 12:07 am)wallym Wrote: Man, they really gloss over the middle east events when Hillary was Secretary of State like Bill glossed over the way he was fucking other women the entire time during his romantic recap of their relationship.

Just like they gloss over those DNC emails every time they talk about democracy and voting.

Seems like they are just asking everyone to be in denial.  

"I picked Hillary as secretary of state.  She was there when we got Bin Laden.  Yadda yadda yadda... and that's why she should be commander in chief."

What the fuck was Donald Trump doing when they got Bin Laden?  Enjoying a tasty Trump steak and a bottle of Trump wine?



 

(July 28, 2016 at 12:15 am)Maelstrom Wrote: I can allow you all your dissection of both parties.  In fact, that is not what bothers me.

What does bother me is that you are basically stating that you will not vote for either party.

Well, hell, don't vote, or even vote but write in Bernie's name.

What you all need to understand is that from a very logical standpoint, at this time we are not capable of electing a third party member.

The republicans count on you to make the wrong choice, because for fucking sure they will not waste their vote.

A third party vote is a waste, a vote that could have been used for the lesser of the two evils.

If Trump wins, you can bet that I am going to blame all of you idiots who were too fucking dumb to understand how politics works.

After all, it has been consistently shown that democrats are for the people.  They can never give us everything we want, but when they do, it is epic.  I thought I was going to die without seeing gay marriage legalized, after all.

Would a republican have legalized gay marriage?  

The republican is only for the one percent.

Hillary in way is not the lesser of two evils once she drops the narrative of trying to get the TPP passed dump her VP and a progressive i will
be more than fucking happy to vote for her but she has a pro TPP VP selected. The TPP mind you is horrible it would be the worst decision 
every in US history if that trade passed you have people like EFF and others saying we can't get it passed if she and her vp fast track that
and it passes that's a lot of US jobs gone. It's not that i don't want Hillary she needs to change her mind and say no that trade deal and actually
get some change done because that is the core reason no one want's to vote for her she looks out for corporate interests than the American people.

but again Hillary would be a shit stain on Obama's legacy i don't need to say anymore... i truly...dont...

(July 28, 2016 at 12:21 am)dyresand Wrote: Hillary in way is not the lesser of two evils once she drops the narrative of trying to get the TPP passed dump her VP and a progressive i will
be more than fucking happy to vote for her but she has a pro TPP VP selected. The TPP mind you is horrible it would be the worst decision 
every in US history if that trade passed you have people like EFF and others saying we can't get it passed if she and her vp fast track that
and it passes that's a lot of US jobs gone. It's not that i don't want Hillary she needs to change her mind and say no that trade deal and actually
get some change done because that is the core reason no one want's to vote for her she looks out for corporate interests than the American people.

but again Hillary would the be shit stain of Obama's legacy it i don't need to say anymore... i truly...dont...

Then you can vote for Trump, or not vote, and if he wins we will have a country much worse off than when Bush was in office.

(July 28, 2016 at 12:24 am)Maelstrom Wrote:

(July 28, 2016 at 12:21 am)dyresand Wrote: Hillary in way is not the lesser of two evils once she drops the narrative of trying to get the TPP passed dump her VP and a progressive i will
be more than fucking happy to vote for her but she has a pro TPP VP selected. The TPP mind you is horrible it would be the worst decision 
every in US history if that trade passed you have people like EFF and others saying we can't get it passed if she and her vp fast track that
and it passes that's a lot of US jobs gone. It's not that i don't want Hillary she needs to change her mind and say no that trade deal and actually
get some change done because that is the core reason no one want's to vote for her she looks out for corporate interests than the American people.

but again Hillary would the be shit stain of Obama's legacy it i don't need to say anymore... i truly...dont...

Then you can vote for Trump, or not vote, and if he wins we will have a country much worse off than when Bush was in office.

I wouldn't vote trump either to me they are both equally bags of shit. One being less of a hawkish on war one being really hawkish on war. 
Either or i don't like any of them i wouldn't want Hillary to unite the democratic and republican party she already ran so far right she might as
well run as a republican at this point. To put it this way when the race started i was truly going to vote Hillary then after awhile seeing all
of this bullshit she has done it made me question why should i toss my vote her way.

(July 28, 2016 at 12:15 am)Maelstrom Wrote: What you all need to understand is that from a very logical standpoint, at this time we are not capable of electing a third party member.

That's not the point of voting third party in this election. Voting third party increases their popular vote, and paves the way for more third party engagement (access to election funds, etc.) in future elections. Nobody voting third party actually thinks their candidate is going to win.

Quote:A third party vote is a waste, a vote that could have been used for the lesser of the two evils.

Firstly, no vote is a waste. Secondly, the lesser of two evils isn't elected via the popular vote, so in some cases, voting third party instead of the "lesser of two evils" is a perfectly "safe" vote. For example, Clinton is all but guaranteed to win Massachusetts. People in Massachusetts who don't like either Trump or Clinton can vote for a third party, increase their vote share, and not affect the outcome of the election in terms of electoral college votes.

Quote:If Trump wins, you can bet that I am going to blame all of you idiots who were too fucking dumb to understand how politics works.

Says the guy who can't count the number of candidates, and apparently doesn't understand that Presidents aren't elected by the popular vote...