Quote:As far as Augustus is concerned, maybe he took to heart and embodied Jesus's words, "Ye are gods."

That'd be a bit tricky, given their respective time lines.

Boru

Quote:The God I assert of has been asserted by many, long before me, long before the "guy in the sky" became a popular strawman.

Good for them, and you. The same can be said of Santa.

(August 27, 2016 at 9:42 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:As far as Augustus is concerned, maybe he took to heart and embodied Jesus's words, "Ye are gods."

That'd be a bit tricky, given their respective time lines.

Boru

It was tongue in check, yet if true the potential exists in each of us.

(August 27, 2016 at 10:16 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(August 27, 2016 at 9:42 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That'd be a bit tricky, given their respective time lines.

Boru

It was tongue in check, yet if true the potential exists in each of us.

I disagree - I haven't got the potential to conquer the Mediterranean world.

Call it 'tongue in check [sic]' all you like, but it comes off as ignorance.

Boru

(August 27, 2016 at 10:08 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

Quote:The God I assert of has been asserted by many, long before me, long before the "guy in the sky" became a popular strawman.

Good for them, and you. The same can be said of Santa.

So the Babylonians, Hindus and Egyptians all had a version of Santa Claus? Surely you can support that with excerpts from their writings?

Santa need be tracked no further than the Amanita Muscaria mushroom in Siberia. If you don't know the amanita, you don't know Santa or Christmas....and you'll certainly never understand the flying reindeer.

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(August 27, 2016 at 10:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 27, 2016 at 10:16 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: It was tongue in check, yet if true the potential exists in each of us.

I disagree - I haven't got the potential to conquer the Mediterranean world.

Call it 'tongue in check [sic]' all you like, but it comes off as ignorance.

Boru

You did back then, if you were born to the right family. But more to the point, Jesus was basically saying "you have the same potential I do" in response to being accused of blasphemy in claiming to be a God.

Quote:Jesus was basically saying "you have the same potential I do" in response to being accused of blasphemy in claiming to be a God.

Yes, I know what you were getting at, but - even more to the point - Augustus died in 14 CE, long before the Jesus myth was established. In other words, Augustus wouldn't have known anything about Jesus at all.

Boru

(August 27, 2016 at 10:22 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(August 27, 2016 at 10:08 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Good for them, and you. The same can be said of Santa.

So the Babylonians, Hindus and Egyptians all had a version of Santa Claus? Surely you can support that with excerpts from their writings?

Santa need be tracked no further than the Amanita Muscaria mushroom in Siberia. If you don't know the amanita, you don't know Santa or Christmas....and you'll certainly never understand the flying reindeer.

Now who's relying on a strawman, you condescending troll?

(August 27, 2016 at 10:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:Jesus was basically saying "you have the same potential I do" in response to being accused of blasphemy in claiming to be a God.

Yes, I know what you were getting at, but - even more to the point - Augustus died in 14 CE, long before the Jesus myth was established.  In other words, Augustus wouldn't have known anything about Jesus at all.

Boru

So only when Jesus asserted it, it became true? What about the quote he was referring to in Psalms 82:6, written around 897 BC?

https://www.blueletterbible.org/study/pa...aral18.cfm

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(August 27, 2016 at 10:36 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(August 27, 2016 at 10:22 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: So the Babylonians, Hindus and Egyptians all had a version of Santa Claus? Surely you can support that with excerpts from their writings?

Santa need be tracked no further than the Amanita Muscaria mushroom in Siberia.  If you don't know the amanita, you don't know Santa or Christmas....and you'll certainly never understand the flying reindeer.

Now who's relying on a strawman, you condescending troll?

You brought up Santa, I brought up tripping balls on reindeer piss.

Perhaps you're taking all this a little too seriously...

(August 27, 2016 at 9:13 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(August 27, 2016 at 9:01 pm)bennyboy Wrote: . . . and would make God relevant to our actual lives.  Who wants that?

And would you rather an existence where your every errant thoughts is instantly corrected/overruled by an inescapable omni-sentient God Mind?  Or do you prefer autonomy, privacy and the ability to grow/learn on your own?

What you said and what you quoted me saying are not connected.

Quote:Not like your autonomy lasts forever though...
Those who want God relevant to their lives, seek it. Those who don't, don't.
And some explorers aren't looking for any destination in-particular, some just enjoy exploring and discovering on their own for the shear thrill of the journey.

. . . ah yes, the shear[sic] thrill of making shit up and convincing yourself that you have learned something. . . and calling it "God."

(August 27, 2016 at 11:11 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(August 27, 2016 at 9:13 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: And would you rather an existence where your every errant thoughts is instantly corrected/overruled by an inescapable omni-sentient God Mind?  Or do you prefer autonomy, privacy and the ability to grow/learn on your own?

What you said and what you quoted me saying are not connected.

Quote:Not like your autonomy lasts forever though...
Those who want God relevant to their lives, seek it. Those who don't, don't.
And some explorers aren't looking for any destination in-particular, some just enjoy exploring and discovering on their own for the shear thrill of the journey.

. . . ah yes, the shear[sic] thrill of making shit up and convincing yourself that you have learned something. . . and calling it "God."

So...you want God, but not all of God, just enough to walk around with and talk too? Seems reasonable, how long have you sat still for?

I have wrestled with God on my own, and worked out my salvation with fear(awe) and respect. I rely on no one else, no appeal to consensus, nor to scriptural authority, nor any individual cultural mythos. I can stand on the waters I have collected, clarified, and then dug for on my own, finding my own well spring inside me. And I can turn those water's into the wine of joy.

I prefer the way I do, to the way you do not. That is all.