(August 28, 2016 at 7:11 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:

(August 28, 2016 at 7:05 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: Some are more self disciplined than others.  What's the best way to safely navigate a sea of hypocritical dicks?

To not be one?  And to not associate with raging examples of such?

I'm also a firm believer that we're responsible for the company we keep.  Which is why I'm happy that while I don't have many true friends, they're indeed true.  I know I can count on them, and them me.

And if they won't leave you alone? Ignore them? Run away?

I'm all for the hermit-like or tight knit tribal life style..but what if confrontation is impossible to avoid?

Is there really no limit on the number of new threads a person can start in a given time period? This is getting silly.

(August 28, 2016 at 7:38 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Is there really no limit on the number of new threads a person can start in a given time period?  This is getting silly.

If the "posting freak" is saying this, we might have a problem...

(August 28, 2016 at 7:10 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(August 28, 2016 at 7:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I can value the likes of Martin Luther King Jr, but that does not make the god of the bible real. I can value the likes of Ann Frank, but that does not make Yahweh a real god. I can value the likes of Malala, but that does not make Allah a real god. To me, it shows the empathy our species has always had and does not need a cosmic sky wizard to explain. But, you still have to deal with reality and that 7 billion humans will never agree on all things all the time. Not even atheists agree all the time.

Completely reasonable.

But can you value the fact that what they accomplish comes from the strength of their convictions/belief and the will to bring more out of themselves comes from a sense of responsibility to/praise for a greater being?

No, I value my species ability to be compassionate. The fact that they falsely attribute that "conviction" based on old myths, I am under no obligation to value as a claim. I am only saying I see good in my species, not what they falsely attribute that good to.

Our species is much older than any written religion or boarders. Our planet since the start of evolution has had 5 mass extinctions of which only 1% of life you see now remains, while 99% has gone extinct. Our sun is only 1 star of billions in our Milky Way Galaxy. A a galaxy so big it takes 1 ray of light 100,000 years at the speed of light to cross. And that is in a universe containing 100s of billions of galaxies in a 13.8 billion year old universe.

I value human rights, not claims. Humans have rights, but claims as ideas do not deserve blind value.

(August 28, 2016 at 8:21 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(August 28, 2016 at 7:38 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Is there really no limit on the number of new threads a person can start in a given time period?  This is getting silly.

If the "posting freak" is saying this, we might have a problem...

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(August 28, 2016 at 8:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, I value my species ability to be compassionate. The fact that they falsely attribute that "conviction" based on old myths, I am under no obligation to value as a claim. I am only saying I see good in my species, not what they falsely attribute that good to.

Our species is much older than any written religion or boarders. Our planet since the start of evolution has had 5 mass extinctions of which only 1% of life you see now remains, while 99% has gone extinct. Our sun is only 1 star of billions in our Milky Way Galaxy. A a galaxy so big it takes 1 ray of light 100,000 years at the speed of light to cross. And that is in a universe containing 100s of billions of galaxies in a 13.8 billion year old universe.

I value human rights, not claims. Humans have rights, but claims as ideas do not deserve blind value.

The question you have to ask yourself is- "Would they have been as compassionate without their beliefs?" I am not asking you to believe their claims.

If I told you my perspective goes back before the beginning of the metaverse, and that our observable universe is a tiny dot of spherical space inside an enormous torus which is only 1 of 6 bends-of space time inside each universe and there are infinite universes in the metaverse.....you wouldn't believe me either.

Till I show you the evidence of what it predicts. Even then, many people simple won't give up or augment their preconceive notions, what ever they may turn out to be.

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(August 28, 2016 at 8:30 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(August 28, 2016 at 8:21 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: If the "posting freak" is saying this, we might have a problem...

?

Look under your handle.

(August 28, 2016 at 7:15 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(August 28, 2016 at 7:11 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: To not be one?  And to not associate with raging examples of such?

I'm also a firm believer that we're responsible for the company we keep.  Which is why I'm happy that while I don't have many true friends, they're indeed true.  I know I can count on them, and them me.

And if they won't leave you alone? Ignore them? Run away?

I'm all for the hermit-like or tight knit tribal life style..but what if confrontation is impossible to avoid?

Unless violence or the threat of violence is in play, avoiding poisonous people is trivial.

It helps if you're generally apathetic, like I am.  I find most human drama to be manufactured and idiotic.  I have no problems simply avoiding any meaningful contact with most people.  I don't care about my bank teller, or cousin's friend, or mail deliverer, or any of the almost faceless people I occasionally interact with, outside of them providing their services competently (if that's the thrust of my relationship with them) and/or treating the few people I do care about fairly.

Regarding people who inevitably get thrust into my life that I dislike, ignoring them usually works.  They tend to get the hint pretty quickly.  Beyond that, honesty.  "I'm sorry, but I don't wish to be sucked into your drama.  I have enough shit on my plate as it is, and frankly, I think you're your own worst enemy in many cases.  I don't necessarily dislike you, but I'm not interested in a friendship, and would like to be left alone."

Keep in mind, the few people I'm close to are people I love deeply, and would do just about anything for.  But I don't get to that stage easily.  My friendship - actual, real, meaningful friendship - isn't something I just give away.  It needs to be earned.

(August 28, 2016 at 8:45 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(August 28, 2016 at 8:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, I value my species ability to be compassionate. The fact that they falsely attribute that "conviction" based on old myths, I am under no obligation to value as a claim. I am only saying I see good in my species, not what they falsely attribute that good to.

Our species is much older than any written religion or boarders. Our planet since the start of evolution has had 5 mass extinctions of which only 1% of life you see now remains, while 99% has gone extinct. Our sun is only 1 star of billions in our Milky Way Galaxy. A a galaxy so big it takes 1 ray of light 100,000 years at the speed of light to cross. And that is in a universe containing 100s of billions of galaxies in a 13.8 billion year old universe.

I value human rights, not claims. Humans have rights, but claims as ideas do not deserve blind value.

The question you have to ask yourself is- "Would they have been as compassionate without their beliefs?"  I am not asking you to believe their claims.

If I told you my perspective goes back before the beginning of the metaverse, and that our observable universe is a tiny dot of  spherical space inside an enormous torus which is only 1 of 6 bends-of space time inside each universe and there are infinite universes in the metaverse.....you wouldn't believe me either.

Till I show you the evidence of what it predicts. Even then, many people simple won't give up or augment their preconceive notions, what ever they may turn out to be.

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(August 28, 2016 at 8:30 pm)bennyboy Wrote: ?

Look under your handle.

Yes, if you can accept that others with different god claims can be as good as you, then you need to consider the claim itself is not the source of human behavior. Humans do not like the prospect of being finite. Evolution's goal with all life is reproduction. Humans simply mistake their own good fortune as being from a fictional source. They also suffer from ignoring that the rivals they defeat in their success, also want that same success. 

Point being we are all the same species, and no matter what myths or gods or superstitions our species concocts, it is temporary and an act of futility in cosmic time. In 5 billion years our species will be long extinct when our sun runs out of fuel and collapses or explodes and fries our planet. The universe will continue with no record of us or the myths we concoct as a species. But, that does not mean we cant extend our finite ride right now, we can. I simply say that we cannot afford to put old myth as our top priority as a species when we have pollution, famine and climate change threatening all sides.

(August 28, 2016 at 9:24 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yes, if you can accept that others with different god claims can be as good as you, then you need to consider the claim itself is not the source of human behavior. Humans do not like the prospect of being finite. Evolution's goal with all life is reproduction. Humans simply mistake their own good fortune as being from a fictional source. They also suffer from ignoring that the rivals they defeat in their success, also want that same success. 

Point being we are all the same species, and no matter what myths or gods or superstitions our species concocts, it is temporary and an act of futility in cosmic time. In 5 billion years our species will be long extinct when our sun runs out of fuel and collapses or explodes and fries our planet. The universe will continue with no record of us or the myths we concoct as a species. But, that does not mean we cant extend our finite ride right now, we can. I simply say that we cannot afford to put old myth as our top priority as a species when we have pollution, famine and climate change threatening all sides.

My God claim (idea) is good because it gives accurate predictions of universal phenomenon. It has nothing to say about my or anyone else's "goodness". People are as good as they act and they act better some days than others.

The universe "made us". Is there any reason to doubt it could make a self aware bipedal species elsewhere in the universe?

You could say the same about science.

(August 28, 2016 at 7:05 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(August 28, 2016 at 7:00 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Funnily enough, not being a hypocritical dick isn't a novel idea.

Some are more self disciplined than others. What's the best way to safely navigate a sea of hypocritical dicks?

Not replying to your bullshit is the answer.