People hate Hilary because they are foolish enough to still be republicans, while she, while not smart enough to have never been a republican, was smart enough to stop being a republican even before Reagan.

Fine that you put it in humor but I think it is astute. He's right. Many of the Bern's die hard supporters act as though they think he is the magic man. If the "magic" word is putting you off, just substitute "special". In their minds only the Bern is special enough to deliver us from the evils of a two party, corporate-run state. That is just bullshit. Bernie may be aces about identifying and waxing rhetorical regarding the problems, but that doesn't mean he is the guy who can do anything about it. Most likely he would have been a mess, unable to get support from much of anyone.

What Hillary is is a worker bee. She is a die in the wool do-gooder. She can wax wonky but who couldn't if they'd lived their entire adult life with Bill Clinton? But she is smart and she does care about helping people. I suspect she will be very productive and I have no doubt that her constituency will be kids, the poor and working people .. not the corporations whose support she gathers. If you want to get anything done in this country you'd better be able to communicate with everyone, you'd better be strategic and you'd better be persistent. She has shown herself to be all of that. But no, she isn't 'special' in the Bernie way. You want to fire up the base? Give the mike to Bill or Bernie. But you want someone to work like a dog and effectively to really help people, vote for Hillary.

Kyle did another segment some weeks ago on why people hate both cadidates. The approval rates for both are rather abyssmal after all. Rightfully so, I would say.

Of course, what is funny about this is:  Clinton

Quote:Poll   Date   Sample   Favorable   Unfavorable   Spread  
8/5 - 8/28................. 41.4................53.4........-12
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Drumpf:

8/5 - 8/28...................34.1..............60.3............-26.2

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Source:  Real Clear Politics
Now, there's a reason to hate Drumpf.... he's a fucking racist moron.

Yep, Trump is a bigot - I agree. So are the many Republican insiders ditching him in favour of Hilary, which is even scarier I think. They love Hilary because they know she thinks like them. It would be terrible if Hilary managed to make the Democrats and Republicans the same on war and foreign policy because she certain sounds at least as hawkish as George W. Bush. I'm sure the Republican elites could manage four years of Donald Trump if they wanted to. He said his SCOTUS picks would be ones they'd like.

(August 30, 2016 at 3:47 pm)abaris Wrote: Kyle did another segment some weeks ago on why people hate both cadidates. The approval rates for both are rather abyssmal after all. Rightfully so, I would say.

Yet people still insist on saying only sexists and Republicans hate Hilary. Why is the electorate getting blamed for Hilary's shortcomings? Millions of people will be voting for Jill Stein of the Green Party this year but somehow how all these millions are still sexist simply because they won't vote for Hilary. I hate all of the attempts guilt tripping of the pro-Hilary media and the "over-defense", as Kyle rightly refers to it as, of Hilary.

(August 30, 2016 at 4:05 pm)ReptilianPeon Wrote: Yet people still insist on saying only sexists and Republicans hate Hilary. Why is the electorate getting blamed for Hilary's shortcomings? Millions of people will be voting for Jill Stein of the Green Party this year but somehow how all these millions are still sexist simply because they won't vote for Hilary. I hate all of the attempts guilt tripping of the pro-Hilary media and the "over-defense", as Kyle rightly refers to it as, of Hilary.

Of course it's ridiculous. The only question in this American election is, do you want more of the same or outright and criminally dangerous idiocy? One would be Hillary, the other one Trump. Not a good choice, but the only one available.

(August 30, 2016 at 2:33 pm)Whateverist Wrote: What Hillary is is a worker bee.  She is a die in the wool do-gooder.  She can wax wonky but who couldn't if they'd lived their entire adult life with Bill Clinton?  But she is smart and she does care about helping people.  

There are two things which negates this.  1.  her concept of what is good appears to be rooted in shallow and rigid dogma she embraced early in life and not subsequently reflected upon to any great depth during later life.  This is bad.    2.  She is willing to temporarily deviate her principles in the pursuit of her principles, which would be good were it not for the fact of the above, and also for the fact that she lack guile while doing so, which makes her much less effective than her strategems might have made her.