(September 18, 2016 at 6:58 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Lol "I think X is wrong"= my "moral argument"

That is what a moral argument amounts to, yes.

(September 18, 2016 at 6:59 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Charity isn't sacrifice to me because it makes us feel good when we give to it.

Self-sacrifice isn't incompatible with taking pleasure in the act.

(September 18, 2016 at 6:59 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Giving to charities aren't sacrifice to me because it makes us feel good when we give to it.

Forcing someone to give to a charity when they didn't want to would be them self-sacrificing and would be immoral.

Chimp3's definition may have been too narrow but I think yours is too broad. It seems like you define mere generosity as self-sacrifice but generosity isn't truly "selfless", we're all selfish.

Quote:Forcing someone to give to a charity when they didn't want to would be them self-sacrificing and would be immoral.

No, that would be them being coerced into doing something. Self-sacrifice has to be voluntary.

Quote:Chimp3's definition may have been too narrow but I think yours is too broad. It seems like you define mere generosity as self-sacrifice but generosity isn't truly "selfless", we're all selfish.

My definition happens to agree with the dictionary. Generosity is different from self-sacrifice, I am not conflating the two. Nothing is truly selfless, nor is anything truly selfish. That's a moot point. 

We have different words to describe different things for a reason. So, to recap, self-sacrifice is distinct from generosity but similar to it.

(September 18, 2016 at 7:03 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:

(September 18, 2016 at 6:56 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: There's nothing wrong with persuasion in itself. It's what you do with it that can become a problem.

True but a self-appointed "I know better than you because I think I am so I'm going to persuade you to do what I personally think is the right thing but I'm not going to tell you that I'm going to do that because that would affect my persuading you and I really want to subvert your own subjective values with my own because I'm an imposing prick" kind of persuasion ain't so great.

By the way if this seems rude I'd like to make it clear right now that I'm attempting to amuse so I really hope someone laughs at this post despite my unfunnycuntness.

It seems to me like you're constantly putting words in my mouth or shifting the goal posts of the conversation at the very least. That kind of discussion does not interest me.

What little I've read (the first five chapters of the first novel), I think George RR Martin is a bad writer, and I cannot for the life of me understand the grá for Game of Thrones, either books or tv series.

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(September 20, 2016 at 12:57 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: What little I've read (the first five chapters of the first novel), I think George RR Martin is a bad writer, and I cannot for the life of me understand the grá for Game of Thrones, either books or tv series.

Read the whole damn book.

(September 20, 2016 at 1:20 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(September 20, 2016 at 12:57 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: What little I've read (the first five chapters of the first novel), I think George RR Martin is a bad writer, and I cannot for the life of me understand the grá for Game of Thrones, either books or tv series.

Read the whole damn book.

What, wade my way through turgid and stultifying prose? No thanks. I'd much rather re-read some Gene Wolfe

(September 20, 2016 at 12:57 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: What little I've read (the first five chapters of the first novel), I think George RR Martin is a bad writer, and I cannot for the life of me understand the grá for Game of Thrones, either books or tv series.

Prepare to have rocks thrown at you.

To be fair I kinda see your point, the prose does get a bit much sometimes. Especially when it's a loooong rambling paragraph going into minutely specific detail describing something relatively irrelevant, when it could probably get the shebang done in 5 lines.

I remember one chapter where he spent three lengthy paragraphs intricately describing the food at a feast, and I was just thinking "really, you're giving the food this much? Is it really that relevant it needs a page and a half? Ok."

(September 21, 2016 at 2:05 am)Yeauxleaux Wrote: To be fair I kinda see your point, the prose does get a bit much sometimes. Especially when it's a loooong rambling paragraph going into minutely specific detail describing something relatively irrelevant, when it could probably get the shebang done in 5 lines.

I remember one chapter where he spent three lengthy paragraphs intricately describing the food at a feast, and I was just thinking "really, you're giving the food this much? Is it really that relevant it needs a page and a half? Ok."

Beware the hungry writer who feasts upon his own words....*points at self in mirror*

(September 20, 2016 at 1:16 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Left-wingers are the problem.

At least half of the problem. I don't trust the judgement of anyone who sits on a bird.